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Slicer wrote:
I have certainly been hanging around here for too long.
I have been using XOOPS for about 9 months now.
9 months is too long for you? I have been active in this community for about 2 years now. So I think I can put things in it's propper perspective
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I have seen some disturbing changes in the community. The developement team is totally wasting a great resource -- the community. There are many talented programmers, debuggers, users and visionaries using this bullentin board.
There are many talented people I agree, but I don't feel 'the development team' is wasting them at all. And apparently you're not one of those people on the list (programmers, debuggers, visionaries etc.) -since if you were, you would have found out on day 1 (and not stille be clueless after 9 months) that XOOPS is a Content Management SYstem, not a bulettin board.
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As a community we could solve any problem and take XOOPS to any level. Talented contributors solve annoying problems, add much needed features and offer great help to new users.
What's this 'we' part? I haven't seen your application for a development team, or your modules or themes yet. Just your gripes about the fact that you're not getting what you want asap for free. The XOOPS community is ALL of us, developers, supporters, designers, longtime members and newbies, all included. Talented contributors help solve issues indeed, but not per sé the communities issues, but their own. Which is perfect of course. But being a community is more then helping solve everyones problems. It's about the quality product XOOPS is, about giving the community a place to make their contributions, about helping them be part of a bigger whole. And frankly, your posts, even in the context of the web standards thread, doesn't show any intelligent contribution to that bigger whole.
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But what happens to them? Herko, Mithandir, Preadator and others stand in the way of progress. This heirachy is the way programming was done in the 1970's. Each person carving out their own little niche and as a result create nothing. All I see is promises. When we get a release it is more likely to give you a blank page rather than a new feature. I haven't see any thing new since I've been here.
XOOPS is about quality, not quantity. If you want many modules, use php-nuke. If you want eyecandy, use Mambo. You're free to choose, you're not forced to use XOOPS. But you still do, even after 9 months of nichebuilding and dust collecting.
How do we stop progress? I honestly don't think you have ANY idea what it takes to run a development project with over 16.000 people looking over your shoulder, expecting quality. For the past 6 months, I have devoted ALL my time to organising XOOPS, so that people who have a contribution to make, can do so, adding to the bigger whole. But, within the quality standards XOOPS has, the amount of time available from everyone contributing, and the lack of organisational structures before I started, it doesn't happen overnight. Yes, we make a lot of promises, but never ones that we can't keep, or haven't explained to the community why we chose otherwise.
You state that this post is take completely out of context in it's own thread, and that it fits in neatly in the web standards thread. When viewing it in the propper context, I still can't find any clue as to where your gripe comes from. The post itself states that the other projects are WORKING on it. Who is to say (and if you read the forums you'll find enough clues), that XOOPS isn't among the list of projects that will work with those standards?
It's not the developers who are standing in the way of progress, it's the user's imagination. This is Free, Open Source Software. XHTML is a case of going through the Smarty templates and changing them so the output validates. CSS is just one file. Accessibility standards is the same stiory, minor changes perhaps to a few core files (mostly where image presentation si concerned), but nothing major. Don't expect XOOPS to be what you need, expect yourself to make XOOPS what you want. Use your imagination, not this bitching about niches that doesn't have any basis in reality. You're free to make the changes you need yourself. The only limits are your skills, intelligence, creativity and imagination. As you're frustrated (obviously), I suspect you're lacking in one or more of these departments.
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Let's face it all modules are simply database queries poorly displayed.
I rest my case. You obviously don't have a clue as to what you're talking about. ANd again, I challenge you to show us what you can do with XOOPS. I'd be happy to see if those changes and additions can be made part of the core, if they meet our standards...
Herko
p.s. to the rest of the community: I normally don't make these angry posts, I try to stay away from this as much as possible. But the unfounded accusations needed an answer.
