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PHPGeek
Re: copyright issues -> http://www.simdigital.com.br
  • 2006/9/20 16:34

  • PHPGeek

  • Just popping in

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  • Since: 2006/7/25


Hello. Im not a lawyer, but here are my thoughts and believes... If they mean anything to you, seek professional clarification.

One big difference between GPL and many other os copyrights/lefts is that ALL software used/distributed with GPL software must be GPL as well. I.E., even if you modify XOOPS heavily and distribute it with non-xoops modules, the modified XOOPS and its modules must be released under GPL as a whole. here is a exert from the GPL

Quote:

2. You may modify your copy or copies of the Program or any portion of it, thus forming a work based on the Program, and copy and distribute such modifications or work under the terms of Section 1 above, provided that you also meet all of these conditions:

a) You must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices stating that you changed the files and the date of any change.
b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License.
c) If the modified program normally reads commands interactively when run, you must cause it, when started running for such interactive use in the most ordinary way, to print or display an announcement including an appropriate copyright notice and a notice that there is no warranty (or else, saying that you provide a warranty) and that users may redistribute the program under these conditions, and telling the user how to view a copy of this License. (Exception: if the Program itself is interactive but does not normally print such an announcement, your work based on the Program is not required to print an announcement.)
These requirements apply to the modified work as a whole. If identifiable sections of that work are not derived from the Program, and can be reasonably considered independent and separate works in themselves, then this License, and its terms, do not apply to those sections when you distribute them as separate works. But when you distribute the same sections as part of a whole which is a work based on the Program, the distribution of the whole must be on the terms of this License, whose permissions for other licensees extend to the entire whole, and thus to each and every part regardless of who wrote it.


the most important part is the last para of 2.c

Quote:

These requirements apply to the modified work as a whole. If identifiable sections of that work are not derived from the Program, and can be reasonably considered independent and separate works in themselves, then this License, and its terms, do not apply to those sections when you distribute them as separate works. But when you distribute the same sections as part of a whole which is a work based on the Program, the distribution of the whole must be on the terms of this License, whose permissions for other licensees extend to the entire whole, and thus to each and every part regardless of who wrote it.

Long story short, if the work you create is identifiably different from the GPL program, you can distribute it independently from the GPL program and its code how-ever you want. But if your work is not identifiably different, or if it is being distributed along with part or whole GPL'ed work, then it must be released under GPL.

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PHPGeek
Re: copyright issues -> http://www.simdigital.com.br
  • 2006/9/20 17:46

  • PHPGeek

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  • Since: 2006/7/25


If Im not mistaken, PHP, BSD, LGPL and other licenses are different and do allow you to sell works derived from/included with them in many practical situations.

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mauricio
Re: copyright issues -> http://www.simdigital.com.br
  • 2006/9/22 22:13

  • mauricio

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more copyright problems:

no credits: http://www.notemania.com.br
no credits: http://www.portofeliz.sp.gov.br
no credits: http://www.msmaquinasespeciais.com.br


--
'Site desenvolvido com tecnologia ISMART da SimDigital'

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mauricio
Re: copyright issues -> http://www.simdigital.com.br
  • 2006/9/22 22:20

  • mauricio

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this site says "powered by ismarty", but ALL the code is 100% xoops: http://www.portofeliz.sp.gov.br/

100% XOOPS and 100% illegal.

I will contact all 'Sin' Digital clients to know more about the true.

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mauricio
Re: copyright issues -> http://www.simdigital.com.br
  • 2006/9/22 22:35

  • mauricio

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another "ismarty" site (xoops without credits):
http://www.somativo.com.br/site/

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Shine
Re: copyright issues -> http://www.simdigital.com.br
  • 2006/9/22 22:41

  • Shine

  • Just can't stay away

  • Posts: 822

  • Since: 2002/7/22


Quote:

mauricio wrote:
this site says "powered by ismarty", but ALL the code is 100% xoops: http://www.portofeliz.sp.gov.br/

100% XOOPS and 100% illegal.

I will contact all 'Sin' Digital clients to know more about the true.


Powered by doesn't mean nothing. You can put there what you want. It isn't obligated to put powered by XOOPS within the footer (theme)!

Take a look at some sources
<meta name="rating" content="general" />
<
meta name="author" content="E-Ware" />
<
meta name="copyright" content="Copyright © 2005" />
[
b]<meta name="generator" content="XOOPS" />[/b]
<
title>Prefeitura Municipal de Porto Feliz Nossa Gente Faz História</title>
<
link href="http://www.portofeliz.sp.gov.br/favicon.ico" rel="SHORTCUT ICON" />
<
link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" media="screen" href="http://www.portofeliz.sp.gov.br/xoops.css" />
<
link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" media="screen" href="http://www.portofeliz.sp.gov.br/themes/pmpf/style.css" />


So systemcredits are left in some.


The only websites which have the wrong headers:
http://www.notemania.com.br/
<meta name="author" content="ISMART" />
<
meta name="copyright" content="Copyright © 2001-2006" />
<
meta name="generator" content="ISMART" />


http://www.somativo.com.br/site/
<meta name="rating" content="general" />
<
meta name="author" content="ISMART" />
<
meta name="copyright" content="Copyright © 2001-2003" />
<
meta name="generator" content="ISMART" />


http://www.msmaquinasespeciais.com.br
(account is suspended, not viewable)

Can we once and for all end this brazilian fuss please?
Let research and talk the XOOPS foundation on this matter.

Grtz., Shine

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mauricio
Re: copyright issues -> http://www.simdigital.com.br
  • 2006/9/22 22:45

  • mauricio

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Quote:
Powered by doesn't mean nothing.




Resized Image

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Anonymous
Re: copyright issues -> http://www.simdigital.com.br
  • 2006/9/22 23:07

  • Anonymous

  • Posts: 0

  • Since:


Quote:
mauricio wrote:
...
yes, ISmart is a new commercial cms 'xoops based', is a parallel project from www.xoops.net.br and XOOPS Brasil team
...


Sim Digital or Guvilla's work, legal or illegal, do not have any relationship with XOOPS BR Support Site.

Guvilla is a XOOPS developer and your modules (eNoticias and e-Empregos) is distributing in brazilian XOOPS community. This is our relationship. I believe what is the same thing with XOOPS Brasil.

The user mauricio seems a old xoops.org's friend...

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HaCkErZ_EliT
Re: copyright issues -> http://www.simdigital.com.br

Looks like there are a few that have nothing better to do than to bring this place back to the way it was with all the trouble.

https://xoops.org/modules/newbb/viewto ... id=236927#forumpost236927]Same Thing Here!

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Bender
Re: copyright issues -> http://www.simdigital.com.br
  • 2006/9/23 20:50

  • Bender

  • Home away from home

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  • Since: 2003/3/10


Guys unless anyone comes up with any proof that prior credit notices have been removed from the original source files violating the gpl this discussion is over.

Understand: There is nothing that must be found in the generated source from output files created with Xoops.
Even if you use XOOPS to create metatags saying the page was created using MegaPower CMS that would not be a violation.

So mauricio or anyone else joining this position: Are you in posession of the source files (and not the source of the output from your browser) to prove this claim then please contact us.

Otherwise this discussion (which started with a hijacked account anyway) is over.


Any proof to reopen this should be sent to the foundation (e.g. Herko) or to any moderator of your choice.
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