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Re: define Standard Templates for theme developers - your idea
  • 2008/2/7 20:00

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The fact that no one has entered the "contest" pretty much says it all. Whatever happens, I've lost my toleration of a complete disregard of community input. Tired of decisions that SHOULD be made by the community of themers instead being made without consultation by a "Design Team Leader" who has made it very clear that he has NO clue what he's doing. Tired of his decisions being justified because they're backed by the "Design Team".....a "Design Team" that doesn't actually have any designers in it. Tired of topics that could potentially improve XOOPS like this one dying because no one actually cares about any opinion but their own. Not going to deal with the ridiculousness of this anymore.

/quit



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Re: Working on Ajax based IM
  • 2008/2/2 21:44

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Q1) What should be a must(essential features)

Well I don't know about "essential" but if it were my module I'd put in:
- Temp Ban by admin
- "Block these users from messaging me"
- Only allow buddies to message me (optional)
- Auto accept buddy requests (optional)
- Optional Throttle (Admins can secify groups allowed send x amount of messages during x amount of time...bandwidth purposes)

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Q2) How do i keep track of sites using my modules


I've seen it done with a "call home" script, that appends to a database on a master server (your site) with the domain information. If your module becomes a hit with the community, you're going to regret using an image hardcoded to your server. if (is_first_use == '1') { $db->sql_query.... }
Just make sure you limit the db permissions that user has and keep the login info on your server.

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) Should i release under GPL (is it must as XOOPS is) or can i charge little for a beta version ? am not sure about it.

Legally, you can release it however you want. I don't think you're going to get many people willing to pay for beta software though.



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Re: define Standard Templates for theme developers - your idea
  • 2008/2/2 10:11

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Benchmark our themes? Why not start where the trouble is... With the module devs. You devs are so insistent that we stay out of from under the hood, yet its ok for you to come out and run your keys down the side of our fresh paint job.

Yeah exactly. Everyone is trying to workaround the problem rather than just fix it. "Hey guys lets all theme like kris!"...um, no thanks.

The problem that doesn't exist in other CMS's is the lack of a uniform module template. I've never used a CMS in my life where I actually had to modify just about all of the module's templates to get them to look right.

This topic is sitting on 2 basic points and I think a couple people are getting those points mixed up and are getting confused.

The first point being that kris wants everyone and their brother to use morpho and hes wanting to make that the standard template. That is unacceptable because that template contains a TON of useless bloated code. Isn't the point of a base template to be a SMALL framework to build around? Thats exactly the opposite of what morpho is.

The second point. Standardizing every class that a themer can use is retarded. First of all, the reason that you need something like this is so that all modules flow, correct? Standardizing every class isn't the answer though. Changing module code to use MINIMAL classes and allowing module devs to wrap ANY theme around their module with a generic function call IS an answer. I gave an example a few pages back, but since you missed that one, heres another.

function OpenTable() { This is where I'm going to put my html code
                                    For the images/style of the top and the left side of my wrapper
}

function CloseTable() { This is where I'
m going to put my html code
                                    
For the images/style of the bottom and the right side of my wrapper
}



Now when a module dev is making his new modulehe templates it thusly:

OpenTable(); <---that will wrap the top and left part of my wrapper appropriately
     This is where the module developer is going to template his content
     Using 
.row1, .row2, .even, .oddtdtrhrdivspanetc etc etc...
     
Because my theme will have those defined in the style.css as they are CORE classes
     
And will not negatively affect the way my theme works with the module.
CloseTable(); <---that will wrap the bottom and right part of my wrapper appropriately


Marco lets get real here. I can contribute till I'm blue in the face. I and plenty of other people have contributed...rather, attempted to contribute information that would be beneficial to xoops. It ALWAYS comes down to some higher individual saying "No, you're wrong because we said so and we're going to continue to do everything our own way without considering what the community thinks and not bother even asking them because that's just how we roll. If you don't like it, leave, we don't care". So I figured if I bitch about what COULD make XOOPS better long enough someone will either do something about it or just ban me so they dont have to listen to it anymore, so I just hope for the best and see what happens.

@JeromeKervie

It's pretty funny when people don't have the balls to say something under their own account in fear of what someone might think of them. Grow up.



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Re: define Standard Templates for theme developers - your idea
  • 2008/2/2 5:06

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So you suggest to make from XOOPS another Joomla? What is the point to have two similar CMS systems? If you want Joomla - it is there, go use it!

That's not even close to what I said. Perhaps try reading a topic prior to replying to it...not just the last post. That would help you immensely.



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Re: define Standard Templates for theme developers - your idea
  • 2008/2/1 16:18

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I think my XOOPS experimentation has finished. Just proving too difficult / too long-winded to make it look good, to make basic layout changes.


^^ from a new XOOPS user.

My Point - 1
Current System - 0

Round 2. Fight.



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Re: Templates download in zip form ...why?
  • 2008/2/1 16:08

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It's all good man. I understand completely.

As a themer myself, I and others have been trying to change the way all of that works to make it easier on themers and inevitably users. *shrug*. We'll see what happens. But in the mean time, good luck to ya.



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Re: Templates download in zip form ...why?
  • 2008/2/1 15:57

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Well, by definition, theme and template mean two different things entirely:

template - a standard layout usually containing basic details of the page dimensions.

theme - a file or (usually) collection of files (php, theme, css, jpg, gif, png), which together determine the look and feel of your site.

A template says where it should go, a theme makes it pretty ;)



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Re: Templates download in zip form ...why?
  • 2008/2/1 15:52

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.tar.gz, .tar.bz & .tar are common linux zip methods, alot of people package this way to avoid corruption between linux server<->windows PC. The purpose is for you to upload the tarball to your server and unzip it there instead of downloading it and unzipping it on your PC then uploading.

It's not something I'd fear would cause people to leave/not use XOOPS as programs such as "winrar" and "7zip" will unzip these types of files on a windows pc....(you just cant use the generic windows "Extract..." function)

Winrar
7zip



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Re: Extgallery <{if $xoops_isadmin}> [gallery]299[/gallery] Tag Is still shown to anonymous
  • 2008/1/31 9:32

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yeah i know where ur talkin about, I'll check it out, thanks.



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Re: How do you turn standard HTML theme to xoops theme ?
  • 2008/1/30 18:12

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This tutorial by Will_H would be beneficial to you. Good luck.

Edit: oops, wrong link...fixed




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