One vote for Carnuke's treatise. Excellent. Totally appropriate. I tried to intimate towards this in my last few posts, but he says it so much better.

The talk of manners here is kindergarten stuff. Totally correct but my six year old has it sussed already.

The title of this thread is "Moving Forward Past Negative Attitudes". To me, moving forward past negative attitudes means not repeatedly stating the obvious about being polite and civil to one another, no one's in disagreement about that, are they? Surely the moving forward part means precisely that. Moving forward.

Please, re-read Carnuke's post courtesy of Debianus. Note the part about involving the community so that you all can focus on the code you love writing so much. So that the project (code and community) actually progresses in all directions at an advanced pace.

Crip

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Ah. I see.

Go the Blues

Actually, I don't think that what I or anyone else here was doing was tanatamount to calling for a free for all. I see dozens of talented people standing up and saying 'you guys look like you've bitten off more than you can chew, we can help spread the load a bit." (I don't include myself in that group, btw. I know my limitations. Happy to help if needed, happy to sit and watch if not). What it looks like to me is that if you can't handle the work load that a fully useable site requires (we're not talking devs here, web skills and community handling abilities and marketing are what the site's all about), why wouldn't you take on the volunteers and bring them into the team?
Do you really think this is the way to become an enterprise solution? Go take a look at RedHat.com (or redhat.in or redhat.it ) and tell us why they chose to go with a standard image. I hate to say it, but go take a look at Joomla or Drupal (XOOPS' main rivals). All of them have their sites together and co-ordinated. #OOPS# extensive in their dissemination of information too. Don't find their modules, docs and devs scattered all over the place... Shame their product doesn't hold a candle to XOOPS

Anyway, I'll shut up now and go buy a hot dog.

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Why can't the community be trusted to maintain the various sections here? XOOPS is great with permissions Seriously.

In this new dawn of openness, I hope that this comment by a relative noob isn't out of place.

I (and surely others) have always felt that the fracturing of the various sections of XOOPS.org into a handful of different sites at different domains was one of the most ludicrous decisions made by the old management team. It seemed that while folks were keen to see a revamped site here, once told by the management that sections were to be farmed out, all the energies that could have been harnessed to undertake the re-make at XOOPS.org were scattered in various directions and weakened by their division.

I am in no way criticising the good XOOPizens who went out and set up as best they could (Carnuke, rabbideu, et al), I just think that it was a terrible mistake to send them off like that.

Support should be here. Modules should be here, Themes should be here, News should be here, Devs should be here, the Wiki should be here. All with the same image, integrated, united, run by the community.

There's room for privately run, and independent sites if folk want to do them. Nothing wrong with that. On the contrary, variety is the spice and all that. But the official site... what on earth would it be without all those section?

Please, if we're trying to present XOOPS as project for a diverse (as in nationalities and character) yet unified (as in direction and focus) community, then surely we have to start with our own front yard. XOOPS.org

I don't really understand what this 'mxo' group was up to, and it doesn't really matter now. What matters is moving on in the right direction.

Subdomains for local XOOPS communities and main sections sounds like a reasonable idea. Offer the various 'National' sites the chance to become more identifiable with the project as a whole, rather than an offshoot, and I'd imagine they'd jump at the chance...

I've probably said too much but I will add that I sincerely am not knocking anyone's efforts to date. What we need and, from the tone of the people rallying to phppp's call, what we're going to get, is one of the most 'together' and vital OS communities out there.

Goodness knows, we have the tools and the enthusiasm.

P.S. If anyone can find a good use to which I can be put (be kind please), I'm standing here ready and willing.

Thank you for your detailed reply, Ana. Much appreciated.

Crip

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What was 'mxo'?

Excuse me writing here at this indubitably hectic time. I have a suggestion concerning the new organisation of XOOPS but I don't know where to post it. Here seemed as good a place as any.

I see, maybe, the need for a kind of Ombudsman in the new XOOPS Community. I am talking of someone who would take an impartial role of making sure that all decisions of any importance (to be defined later) meet minimum standards of openness and clarity. This person (or committee) would serve the community as a whole, and act as a conductor for complaints of unfairness, settler of disputes and questions of impropriety concerning the decision making process.
Think of the role as 'Guardian of the democratic process'. A process so clearly needed here at XOOPS.

This may be what you have in mind for the XOOPS Project Council. But I thought I should mention it.

Crip

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3 cheers for phppp! Hip-hip...

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Phew!

lucky buggers...