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Well... Don't ask it to me. It was changed by the people of Xoops.org staff, not me, hehehe!

But the name of your site isn't "Xoops Brazilian Support" and it was this way before. Why didn't you asked to it be changed before?

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I suggest you ask to http://www.xoops.org administrador by PM/e-mail. Don't need to use public forums for this.

A internationalization of XOOPS is more important than a internationalization of brazilian disagreements.

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for nothing?

I find that for the good of the system XOOPS in Brasil it would be better and exclusion of reference the support in Brasil in this site.

We have some sites and the time will show which site supplies the best support.



sorry my poor english..

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the stranger is mikhail to place post in the forum and later erasing.


este negócio de apagar o post é no mínimo injusto... mas ja que o Sr. gosta de democracia desta maneira.....

Definitions of lobby on the Web:
Definitions of lobby on the Web:

a large entrance or reception room or area
http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn

a group of people who try actively to influence legislation
http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn

detain in conversation by or as if by holding on to the outer garments of; as for political or economic favors
http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn

The act of a person or group of persons (lobbyists) seeking to present their views on an issue to the members of the legislature and its committees and working for the passage or defeat of proposed legislation.
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlo/resources/glossary.htm

A group seeking to influence the passage or defeat of legislation. Lobbying may include direct attempts to influence lawmakers through personal interviews and persuasion as well as indirect, or "grass-roots," influence such as persuading members of a group to write or visit their local elected officials or attempting to create a climate of opinion favorable to a desired legislative goal. The right to attempt to influence legislation is based on the First Amendment to the Constitution, which says "Congress shall make no law…abridging the right of the people to petition the government for redress of grievances."
http://www.raa.org/whoweare/legis/Glossary%20of%20Legislative%20Terms.htm

A group seeking to influence the passage or defeat of legislation. Originally, the term referred to persons frequenting the lobbies or corridors of legislative chambers in order to speak to lawmakers.
http://www.purepolitics.com/edu/mrsmith/puregloss.htm

A group of persons engaged in trying to influence legislators or other public officials in favor of a specific cause.
http://www.northland.cc.az.us/Pos221/resource/definiti.htm

The effort to influence legislation, most often by a paid agent of a special interest group.
http://www.thenorthstarnetwork.com/news/topstories/181698-1.html

A group or organization—sometimes called a "pressure group"—that seeks to influence legislation, administrative action, and/or public opinion. Commercial and industrial interests, trade associations, labor unions, organizations representing ethnic and racial groups, professional networks, citizen organizations, and representatives of foreign concerns work to achieve their special interests. A lobby’s power to influence, however, often may be based not on the merits of its arguments, but on its size, its financial and membership resources, and the astuteness of its representatives.
http://www.pbs.org/democracy/glossary/print.html

The Bill will cross the lobbies. Be sent from the House of Commons to the House of Lords.
http://www.bootlegbooks.com/Reference/PhraseAndFable/data/765.html

A group of persons or an organization seeking to influence the passage or defeat of legislation. A lobbyist is a person who represents a particular individual or group for the purpose of affecting the outcome of legislation. To lobby Congress is to seek to influence the decisions of members of the House or Senate.
polscience.tripod.com/conglosx.htm

Seen as part of a citizens right to petition the government, lobbying involves activities aimed at influencing government officials to enact desired policies.
http://www.daltonstate.edu/faculty/bguo/p1101/Glossary.htm

Bringing pressure on a government to do something for the benefit of a particular interest.
http://www.cbe.ab.ca/b836/curriculum/social/socialgloss.html

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I'd also like to know what the reason for name change was, since thas specific site, the official Brazilian support site since it was the only one (I understand that this has changed, but AFAIK it still is the official support site).
And it never was, and never will be, known as XOOPS Underpop. Search Google for XOOPS Brasil and you'll find that same site, the Sourceforge project called XOOPS Brasil also related to that site, etc., etc.

Now, there's no doubt that us Brazilians were able to make a huge mess with community politics and personal issues. So here's my personal account of this mess...

I was affiliated to XOOPS Brasil when we all were good XOOPS users/translators, and since part of the developers/translators from that original community started the XOOPS Brasil community, I've been away from both. I'll never get to join or cooperate with xoops-br.blogspot.com, IMO a commercial adventure with very few contributions (and bad ones at that) that was (again, IMO) the main cause of problems inside the original XOOPS Brasil team.

Compare and contrast contributions made by each of these communities in sourceforge:
XOOPS Brasil, lead by Mikhail since it was the only group. Mikhail is a workaholic, has a deep passion for open source and XOOPS, and has a quick temper that causes so many problems that when I get to meet him I'm gonna kick his knee

XOOPS Brasil, lead by many people from the original group, a mixed bag of hardworkers. Mostly good people, many of them somehow feel offended by Mikhail, others believed in more than one community living in peace.

xoops.org, I have to agree, webhost lobby.

Anyway, Mikhail is usually alone in these arguments, if you take note of just who is flaming he, that'll mostly be people from XOOPS Brasil, many of whom still feel offended.

There are nasty bits from each part (including myself) and I'd rather not mention any... xcept for these trends:
- XOOPS Brasil does want to become the official Brazilian support site;
- XOOPS Brasil and xoops-br.blogspot.com want XOOPS Brasil to get known as "another Brazilian community";
- XOOPS Brasil (actually Mikhail) has the habit of customizing index.html redirects and footers to an extent that it gets hard to reach XOOPS.org from their/his work (the second kick will be for this);
- Mikhail goes ballistic on anyone he deems a traitor;
- XOOPS Brasil and xoops-br.blogspot.com love to make Mikhail go ballistic on anyone;
- I don't like xoops-br.blogspot.com

There.
Huge mess.
Still, I don't understand the name change... I hope admins here have a thick skin against any kind of lobby (mine included).

Again:
I find that for the good of the system XOOPS in Brasil it would be better and exclusion of reference the support in Brasil in this site.

We have some sites and the time will show which site supplies the best support.

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in portuguese.
Realmente eu acho que seria melhor

Este tipo de debate acontecendo em publico a surdina da madrugada, e editando os post depois de respondidos não ajuda muito o sistema e nem a imagem de todos os brasileiros.
desculpem meus post e não me pronuncio mais neste assunto..pelo menos hoje não..
eu apoio esta campanha:
Mikhail, leaves us in peace, please!

Alguém tá comendo alguém nessa historia, .....

Não acredita mesmo nisso que escreveu, não é mesmo?

Se hoje o site XOOPS Brasil tem um vasto material, é por que o Mikhail apagou os creditos dos seus colaboradores,... isso ele já faz desde o tempo do phpnuke.

não há nenhum lobby aqui, por que sou apenas um revelando o que se passa atras das cortinas

Meu pedido é que seja modificada as regras desse jogo.

Tal responsabilidade não pode ficar nas mãos de uma só pessoa, muito menos uma de tão baixa indole.

Prefiro que não tenha suporte oficial no Brasil por 2 anos

Acho que mikhail até fez bastante, não se pode negar isso, mas seus defeitos superam suas virtudes. Creio até, que isso é coisa da idade, mas o fato é que está prejudicando a mim e a outros. Tal responsabilidade não pode ficar centrada na mãos de um só.

Pelo tempo que já passou já deveriamos ter todo material traduzido, inclusive o wiki e modulos. Porem o que acontece é encontrar até anotações pessoais dele em vez da informação.