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well im doing a new server install to test my theory something with my php/mysql/apache versions is the problem.. ill be using php 4.x, MySQL 4.x, and apache 2.2, all i want is for the forums to work, i just find it interesting as widely used as this is, only 2 ppl have experienced this issue, and MySQL v3 i have was used extensively for a very long time, ah well i should know tonight if this fixed it, will update as needed since it appears no one know how to fix it, which is understandable when it wont give any debug information
thank you
aix