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dotmil
Scalability and 2.2 series; is this an issue?

  • 2005/12/7 5:52

  • dotmil

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Howdy all,

I am working on a project with several other people that is in the earilest stages of planning. We're coming up with a short list of potential CMS candidates. I, naturally, am pushing for Xoops. But I need a little clarification on something here.

Currently, I am running XOOPS 2.2.3 on a few small-to-medium websites for myself and clients. I've had no issues whatsoever, and really like this series. However, this latest project has specs that rate MUCH higher in requirements for both user counts, concurrent sessions, and total pageviews.

While researching XOOPS scalability potential (and finding a certain other CMS that recently changed names has some serious scalability issues), I ran across this post:

Quote:
Considering your objective, use the latest 2.0.x version as your codebase. There will be a clear upgrade path from this version to the next one (2.4.0) and the 2.2.x releases are quite less scalable, so you'll get more comfortable by doing this.


So, the question is, in what respect are the 2.2 releases less scalable? Where do the issues lie? Basically, what do I need to be aware of as far as potential limitations within the 2.3 releases? Running the 2.0 series isn't a big issue, but I was rather surprised to see this. Can someone please shed a little more light on this? Thanks!
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davidl2
Re: Scalability and 2.2 series; is this an issue?

  • 2005/12/7 9:16

  • davidl2

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The 2.0 series is more established coding wise, so personally I would advise using this to be honest - unless you really need some of the extra functionality of 2.2 onwards...
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dotmil
Re: Scalability and 2.2 series; is this an issue?

  • 2005/12/7 19:23

  • dotmil

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Yes I can understand using 2.0.x for thoe reasons. I'm just curious here as to where the scalability issue comes into play. Is there a certain range of database size, or registered users, or something else where this issue usually arises?
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dickinsd
Re: Scalability and 2.2 series; is this an issue?

  • 2005/12/7 20:18

  • dickinsd

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I saw another post that got me thinking a little; however I forgot to raise the question.

Quote:
Herko Coomans wrote:

8. Why XOOPS.ORG is not running latets 2.2.3a to show what exatcly XOOPS is ?

Because XOOPS 2.2.3a is less scalable then 2.0.13.2. And because we plan to do the update and upgrade and redesign and restructuring in one big project, not spread over a long time.

From This post

Although I am not planning any huge projects, I would like to know what scalability issues, if any, might arise as a site grows?
Or perhaps what types of project/site are not suited to XOOPS 2.2.x

I like XOOPS 2.0.x it has been a great 'core' on several sites and I have had few problems (although my largest problem has followed me to XOOPS 2.2.x but thats another post).
However after using XOOPS 2.2.x on a test site I was very impressed with it and liked some of the new features, I have since upgraded all but one of my XOOPS based sites to 2.2.x.
My main problems since the upgrade are with modules, not so much incompatibility, but trying to find modules that can offer more to me and my users, this seems to have caused me the most problems.

Dave
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dotmil
Re: Scalability and 2.2 series; is this an issue?

  • 2005/12/10 5:46

  • dotmil

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Anyone??
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JMorris
Re: Scalability and 2.2 series; is this an issue?

  • 2005/12/10 6:03

  • JMorris

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I cannot speak of code-level issues with 2.2.x as I'm not a php codeer. What I can say is that the 2.4 branch will be using more of the 2.0.x code than the 2.2.x code. I can also say as an ex-2.2.x user that 2.0.x has the benefit of having more modules available for it and it is a much more stable release.

I can understand your desire to know why the 2.2.x branch is not as scalable. I respect that. However, the important thing to know right now is that 2.4 will share more in common with the 2.0.x branch than the 2.2.x branch. Therefore, I strongly recommend the 2.0.x branch as the basis of any current projects.

Best Regards,

James
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MadFish
Re: Scalability and 2.2 series; is this an issue?

  • 2005/12/10 6:23

  • MadFish

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Quote:
However, the important thing to know right now is that 2.4 will share more in common with the 2.0.x branch than the 2.2.x branch. Therefore, I strongly recommend the 2.0.x branch as the basis of any current projects.


Many thanks for that clarification.
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dotmil
Re: Scalability and 2.2 series; is this an issue?

  • 2005/12/10 6:32

  • dotmil

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Quote:

JMorris wrote:
I cannot speak of code-level issues with 2.2.x as I'm not a php codeer. What I can say is that the 2.4 branch will be using more of the 2.0.x code than the 2.2.x code. I can also say as an ex-2.2.x user that 2.0.x has the benefit of having more modules available for it and it is a much more stable release.

I can understand your desire to know why the 2.2.x branch is not as scalable. I respect that. However, the important thing to know right now is that 2.4 will share more in common with the 2.0.x branch than the 2.2.x branch. Therefore, I strongly recommend the 2.0.x branch as the basis of any current projects.

Best Regards,

James


Thanks. I kind of gathered that from my searching on here; IIRC it was mentioned in another thread about this same topic.

But, I really would like to know what the issue(s) is. What happened that the 2.2.x branch is basically going to be scrapped down the road? It just seems a little out of the ordinary to me. Also, the fact that I can't find any explanation anywhere probably makes me more curious than I would normally be

Anyway, as things stand it kind of leaves the whole 2.2.x series in limbo then it would seem, which sucks because I thought the interface and layouts were much better than 2.0.x. Oh well, I guess the mystery remains.
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MadFish
Re: Scalability and 2.2 series; is this an issue?

  • 2005/12/10 8:48

  • MadFish

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Might be worth updating the roadmap page?
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Jharis
Re: Scalability and 2.2 series; is this an issue?

  • 2005/12/10 9:27

  • Jharis

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What about the 2.2.3 sites? If we need to get back on track with XOOPS core for future releases how do we do this? Is this a hint to move back to 2.0.13 now?

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