vaughan:
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Vaughan,

can you confirm which exactly version of XOOPS will be the base for ImpressCMS?

2.0.17.1

which is the last official release of XOOPS?

Or the current 2.0.18 code as it is stored in SVN? If yes, what is the cut-off date for the XOOPS code you'll be utilizing?

If I would be upset with somebody and decide to fork the code, the moment I decided to leave is the cut-off time for me, and I wouldn't come back to look at what they do in the meantime and utilize any of the code created after that date - after all I want to prove that I can do it better myself, right? Since the ImpressCMS Fork was set on Sept. 13th, can we assume that ImpressCMS will not utilize any of the XOOPS code added to XOOPS SVN after Sept. 13th? If not, do you plan to have any official cut-off date for the XOOPS code?

Can we have some kind of official statement from the ImpressCMS Team on that?

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Are you saying that one of the ImpressCSM Project Managers (AndrewVincent, JMorris, or Marcan) have signed up Herko as a developer without his knowledge and permission? Who was it?

But it's good to see that you acknowledge at least that he was involved in the ImpressCMS project. When Chairman of the XOOPS Foundation gives advice to a competitor of XOOPS, it shows clearly that the ethical and legal line is crossed

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Actually, script_fu states:

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So if www.xoopsinfo.com is paid by the XOOPS foundation, and then being used for ImpressCMS related discussions, don't you agree that XOOPS project donations are funding indirectly the creation of ImpressCMS fork?

Do you think, it's ethically correct for you and others to use www.xoopsinfo.com, which is funded by XOOPS, to create a project competing with XOOPS?

Yes, it indeed is very sad.

But this also is presenting a serious ethical, moral, and legal issue for the XOOPS Foundation Board of Directors: Herko, Marcan, and DavidI2.

First, let's set the baseline: Board of Directors of the XOOPS Foundation has the ethical, moral, and legal responsibility to look after the best interests of the XOOPS Project. Nothing different from a Board of Directors of any company. The mission of the Foundation is clear about it - it is to: "support the XOOPS Project and the XOOPS Community in any way it can." That's what Herko, Marcan, and DavidI2 committed to by becoming a member of the Board.

Now let's go through the timeline:

Sept. 13th: Marcan, while a member of the XOOPS Foundation, who is obligated to "support the XOOPS Project and the XOOPS Community in any way it can" creates ImpressCMS project, which is a fork of XOOPS, and thus a competitor of XOOPS:

a) he creates ImpressCMS project on SourceForge
b) he registers www.impresscms.org and www.impresscms.com, of which DNS address is then forwarded to his server INBOXHOSTING.COM

He is joined on this ImpressCMS project by Herko and David I2, while there are still members of the Board of Directors of the XOOPS Foundation and who supposed to look after XOOPS Interests!

All this is happening in a secretive manner. Outside, they present themselves as fully loyal XOOPS members, publishing on:

Oct. 10, 2007 XOOPS Manifesto

Nov. 14, 2007 New Community Initiatives

In the meantime they are actively recruiting XOOPS developers to join their efforts (current list as of Dec. 12 includes 20 developers.) All this while they are still members of the XOOPS Board of Directors.

Now, by ANY ethical, moral, and legal standard, this is a clear "breach of contract" and violation of their Board duties. One just CANNOT be in a good faith a member of the XOOPS Foundation with the mission to "support the XOOPS Project and the XOOPS Community in any way it can", and at the same time actively create a competing project and actively recruit developers from within the XOOPS Community for it.

Since The XOOPS Foundation / Stichting XOOPS is a legal entity under Dutch law, such behavior has clear legal consequences for the Members of the Board of Directors who are clearly acting in bad faith and with the intent to damage XOOPS - after all I don't think that anyone of them would believe that "Hey, if we create ImpressCSM, it will help XOOPS".

Therefore, I would like to formally request that:

a) Herko, Marcan, and DavidI2, have to IMMEDIATELY resign from the XOOPS Foundation, as they clearly violated the trust of the XOOPS Community and committed illegal and unethical activity.

b) Before they resign, the should appoint to the Foundation Board the current Project Leader, who is DJ. This will ensure continuity of the Board and fulfill the legal requirements of the XOOPS Foundation.

c) DJ and the Project Council will appoint additional members of the XOOPS community to the Board, so the Foundation can move forward with its tasks and objectives.

I truly hope that out of respect for the XOOPS community, Herko, Marcan, and DavidI2, will do the right thing and accept the consequences of their actions, which were clearly in violation of legal requirements of the XOOPS Foundation Board of Directors, and in violation of any ethical and moral standards that I know of, and resign from the XOOPS Foundation Board of Directors!

Come on guys - by creating ImpressCMS, a competing project for XOOPS, you've made your decision and crossed the legal, moral, and ethical line, so please be men about it, and resign from the XOOPS Foundation!

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Totally agree!

Plus - focus on work, and not on politics. After all, it's all about the SOURCE!!!!

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I agree with you on this, and I hope, this will motivate people to get engaged again.

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Here I have to disagree a little bit. Being a leader requires that we're listening to the community, even if the voices might be critical. We don't have to agree, but we shouldn't ignore them.

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We shouldn't see it so drastically as a fight with somebody winning and somebody else losing. We are all XOOPS community and while we might disagree on the way to improve XOOPS, I believe all of the parties would like to see XOOPS succeed.

The problem was that we didn't have a clear organizational structure with clear accountabilities. Hopefully the new proposal that we're working on will address it and will create a healthy environment with clear rules how to address disagreements, so we don't end up with TKO.

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Good!!!! Keep the spirit!

Tom, I don't know what problems could there be.

But what you're implying is that somebody manually changes your messages and posts them somewhere where nobody is seeing them.

Just shortly before there was insinuation that messages from the mailbox were missing. It came out that it was a false alarm, but the first reaction was another conspiracy theory!

I don't know if your problem is easy to fix, and even if it is, if the person in charge has the time to do it right away. But let's not assume the worst!

OK, it's a newly restored Website. There might be some technical problems with the migration.

Why don't you just report a problem without insinuating a conspiracy?

Is it asking too much?

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Absolutely agree! I've been asking for this forever.

XOOPS has to become more flexible in getting cool ideas and code from the international community around the world.

Did you try this hack:

https://xoops.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4013

I think, this is the way to go, offering the most flexibility, once tested and working properly...