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Catzwolf
Developers: Say no to IE v6 and stop developing for it.

  • 2010/7/24 20:47

  • Catzwolf

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This is a personal plea to all Xoops developers, coders and designers, I would like to ask if you would stop developing for this terrible browser, to stop trying to make things that are so broken with it to work by creating hacks, css fixes and other general things that take up more time that could have been spent on more deserving things.

That damn browser is old, out of date and totally useless and yet I still see people pampering to the needs of Microsoft and their unwillingness to actually design a browser that adheres to the standards, like most of the other browser. (Yet IE v9 apparently seems to be heading that way).

Yes I know that there are people that still use this browser and I cannot for the life of me understand why in this day and age with all the other browsers available to download FREE, we are still in the positions to cater for them?

Most of you wouldn't even drive a car that old, so why develop for a browser that old?

It is time to move on, just like we need to move on from PHP 4 and move to PHP 5.

So I say please, stop developing for it, make people aware you won't be developing for it any more and if possible point them in the right direction to a browser that will work properly.

Alternatives to IE

Save the Developers

Germany says No!! Follow their Example!!

Add code to tell your users to upgrade to a new browser

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Information to think about..

http://secunia.com/advisories/product/11/

IE6 was released in 2001, it's last feature update release was SP2 in August 2004. The current revisions of this browser are now over six years old! In the technology world four years is 2.6 life times! (A lifetime is roughly 18 months, based from Moore's law) IE6 suffers many bugs in terms of Display, Security and Standards Compliance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_6

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Just SAY NO will you!!
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Catzwolf
Re: Developers: Say no to IE v6 and stop developing for it.

  • 2010/7/24 21:00

  • Catzwolf

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  • Posts: 1392

  • Since: 2007/9/30


might be going to far.. but here is some code to stop people with this browser using your site.

var IE6 = (navigator.userAgent.indexOf("MSIE 6")>=0) ? true : false;
  if(IE6){
    $(function(){
        $("
")
            .css({
                'position': 'absolute',
                'top': '0px',
                'left': '0px',
                backgroundColor: 'black',
                'opacity': '0.75',
                'width': '100%',
                'height': $(window).height(),
                zIndex: 5000
            })
            .appendTo("body");
           
        $("

Sorry! This page doesn't support Internet Explorer 6.If you'd like to read our content please upgrade your browser .

")
            .css({
                backgroundColor: 'white',
                'top': '50%',
                'left': '50%',
                marginLeft: -210,
                marginTop: -100,
                width: 410,
                paddingRight: 10,
                height: 200,
                'position': 'absolute',
                zIndex: 6000
            })
            .appendTo("body");
    });       
}
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Peekay
Re: Developers: Say no to IE v6 and stop developing for it.

  • 2010/7/24 23:13

  • Peekay

  • XOOPS is my life!

  • Posts: 2335

  • Since: 2004/11/20


Use is shrinking, but according to the W3schools tracker it's still over 7% of global. There's still more IE6 users than Safari or Opera.

I have IE8, Firefox and Safari (Mac) as primary targets. I still like to try and get things to appear roughly right in IE6, but I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

I have given up on Mosaic.
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kris_fr
Re: Developers: Say no to IE v6 and stop developing for it.

  • 2010/7/25 0:30

  • kris_fr

  • Theme Designer

  • Posts: 1009

  • Since: 2005/12/31


Browsers barometer ( for europe) --> http://www.atinternet-institute.com/en-us/browsers-barometer/browser-barometer-march-2010/index-1-2-3-195.html
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blackrx
Re: Developers: Say no to IE v6 and stop developing for it.

  • 2010/7/25 1:40

  • blackrx

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  • Posts: 227

  • Since: 2008/2/5 1


but 80% of my site user still use this ie6 ?????
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Catzwolf
Re: Developers: Say no to IE v6 and stop developing for it.

  • 2010/7/25 5:19

  • Catzwolf

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  • Since: 2007/9/30


@kris: Not exactly sure what you're trying to say here, but out of that % how many of them use ie v6?

@blackrx: And this is where the problem comes from, we the developers, webmasters and other people who run websites need to put out the message that IE v6 is old and we wont be developing for it no more, so go update your browser and make our lifes much easier.

I for one will not be developing for this browser, and actually, I wont be testing on IE 7 either in the future.

So if you want to see website displayed right, then upgrade, simple.

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Peekay
Re: Developers: Say no to IE v6 and stop developing for it.

  • 2010/7/25 9:41

  • Peekay

  • XOOPS is my life!

  • Posts: 2335

  • Since: 2004/11/20


You have be careful about this Catz. All those IE6 users haven't upgraded to date despite being more than aware that newer versions are available.

To be fair, they might have a good reason. Some of them may have tried IE8 and had problems with it (the original release was troublesome). If they use a network terminal to access the web it may be the network team's decision, perhaps due to an intranet application that requires IE6. The IT guys might prefer to upgrade, but it's not always financially viable to do so just to please website designers.

It can be frustrating, but if these users browse the web trouble-free for 99% of the time and the only site that tells them to sod off is yours, guess who won't be getting their business!
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Bleekk
Re: Developers: Say no to IE v6 and stop developing for it.

  • 2010/7/25 13:32

  • Bleekk

  • Theme Designer

  • Posts: 941

  • Since: 2002/12/14


catz you are right. the problem is that almost all my customers want their sites (modules and themes) to work with the ie6. they even pay extra for the work.
I hate this browser too and I really see no reason why people do not use even IE7 (except the companies) .
I have stopped the support for IE6 for my free themes.
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Peekay
Re: Developers: Say no to IE v6 and stop developing for it.

  • 2010/7/30 21:15

  • Peekay

  • XOOPS is my life!

  • Posts: 2335

  • Since: 2004/11/20


In 2010 the estimate of total internet users was 1.9 billion.

If seven percent of those users still use IE6, that's about 133 million people.

So you're not going to let them see your website because... ?

A thread is for life. Not just for Christmas.
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ghia
Re: Developers: Say no to IE v6 and stop developing for it.

  • 2010/7/31 7:02

  • ghia

  • Community Support Member

  • Posts: 4953

  • Since: 2008/7/3 1


Quote:
So you're not going to let them see your website because... ?
Depending on the techniques used, they will see the site with some apparent problems, which may vary from alignment to some invisible elements. In general they will be able to see all the infoermation but badly presented. It is not so that they are totally locked out from the site.

But people should understand that when their software supplier of choice does not adhere to the standards, they deprive themselves from a better browser and internet expierience.
I provide mosttimes a notice on the bottom: "Viewed at its best with FireFox".
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