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Posted on: 2008/8/8 13:21
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Re: Herko is selling XOOPS.COM, domain donated to the XOOPS Project in 2004

An idea from another topic: "Herko owns xoops.com and xoops.nl; If Herko is selling xoops.com, the domain xoops.nl cannot be a official XOOPS support site." Logic? What do you think about it?

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Herko Coomans wrote:
Owner, webmaster: Dutch XOOPS support portal XOOPS.nl
(Privately Held; Myself Only; Internet industry)
[/quote]

Source:
http://www.linkedin.com/in/herko


Whois wrote:

Domain nameservers:
ns1.herkocoomans.net
ns2.herkocoomans.net

Date registered: 03-01-2002
Record last updated: 15-04-2008

Source:
http://whois.domaintools.com/xoops.nl


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Posted on: 2008/8/8 11:00
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Re: Herko is selling XOOPS.COM, domain donated to the XOOPS Project in 2004

[EDITED by the moderator as it had nothing to do with XOOPS and was a personal attack]

Please, look some details here:
http://www.linkedin.com/in/herko

And his self-description as chairman of xoops.org:

Quote:

# The XOOPS Foundation: Founder, chairman
(Non-Profit; 1-10 employees; Internet industry)

November 2004 — Present (3 years 10 months)

The XOOPS Foundation is a Dutch foundation (Stichting) created to support the XOOPS open source content management system project and it's international community of users and participators.

My tasks:
- asset management, mainly managing the funds generated from ads and donations, the webservers the project is hosted on (owned by the Foundation) and the trademark rights to the XOOPS name.
- organization development, creation and implementation and leading the project organization. Was not a big success, due to many reasons.
- leadership development, encouraging people from the community to become leaders within the open source movement.
- legal issues such as filing police reports against hackers who destroy the XOOPS project knowingly and purposefully, as well as getting companies that infringe on the XOOPS project copyrights to cease and desist.
- fund raising for the project.
- administrative management
- representation of the project to businesses and organisations.
#

Quote:

XOOPS.nl - Dutch XOOPS support portal - Owner, webmaster

(Privately Held; Myself Only; Internet industry)

As webmaster and core team member I was co-responsible for the daily management of the Dutch XOOPS open source web CMS support community. This included trying to get members actively involved in the support and development communities, communications, marketing, documentation writing, translations and respresenting the DUtch community within the international XOOPS community.


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Posted on: 2008/8/8 0:49
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Re: Herko is selling XOOPS.COM, domain donated to the XOOPS Project in 2004


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I do agree guys. We all know this was coming... it was only a matter of time.
Really, it is just bringing more sht and we have SOOOOOO better things to do!
They are slowly dying.... leave them at it. We are doing great, let's continue and focus on that !


On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Tom Black <tom@?????.org> wrote:

Please guys do not comment on the XOOPS forums, especially regarding the
new thread titled 'Herko is selling XOOPS.COM, domain donated to the
XOOPS Project in 2004'.

I believe I know who the naughty boy was! lol

Seriously though we need to move on and not lower ourselves to these
standards. We're better than this and we're doing real good now so
please lets not have any set backs. Just ignore them and keep on moving.
We don't need to defend ourselves, look at their web who's on-line it's
now constantly below 100 most times I look it's lower than 50 but it
used to be 100's, so we don't need to be dragged down with them.

I've sent this to both lists as it affects everyone even though it
shouldn't! I don't need a reply to this, lets just move on.....

Tom


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Posted on: 2006/1/3 19:15
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Re: Surveys and/or polls on XOOPS.org?

I'm guessing the following is a reply to my posts:

Quote:

stefan88 wrote:
As for the respect - it shuld be earned, and that is slow process. On the other hand it is very easy to lose it - only one or two wrong steps are needed.

That's a sad way to look at relationships. Why not do the reverse? Treat someone with the respect you would like to be treated with yourself upon first meeting? Doesn't the bible say 'do not unto others what thou wouldst not unto thyself'?
I agree in my previous post that merits are the currency that buys you extra influence. And with that comes respect, I'm sure. But basic human respect isn't something that needs to be earned, but freely given. Maybe that's just my own optimistic view of life and love.

Quote:
If you joined XOOPS yesterday and have 6 posts so far you will have to earn it. If you was here under another name, but afreid to post with it - you lost it.

I have joined after being a long time lurker. I felt I could stay silent no longer, and think I have something serious to add to the debate. Again here too I expect some basic human respect, but that was blatantly and inhumanly rejected by mr. Badger. To what purpose I don't know. And I don't care, frankly. I'm not here to argue endlessly about him, I'm here to add my views to the pot-pourri of views and opinions here.
And I'm not here to earn any extra respect. If it is freely given, I'll gladly accept. If not, so be it. You don't have to agree.

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I'm not very old member here, but I remember time when you would not have to wait hours to see new post and days untll you get help. Many good and helpfull people are not here any more or do not bother to be active. Part of the XOOPS spirit was lost.

What in your opinion is that spirit of XOOPS? I think it's members helping other members. Not because they feel pushed or obliged, but because it is rewarding to them. And I always noticed that the reward is not in the gratitude of something so vague and conceptual as the community or its leaders, but in the thankyou's from the people that were helped. And, since it is an open community, people move on. Yes, I agree some of the spirit of XOOPS is lost, but some of that spirit is a romantic version of what used to be. And some was chased away by people like mr. Badger who showed that there's a darker side to every community as well. And the rest was destroyed by the leaders, chance, progress, or whatever you call it. But don't think that spirit is gone. It goes deeper than you can imagine. And it is easy to revive. You just wait and see. It may not be the same version of the XOOPS spirit, or I'm sure it will not be that. But it isn't dead by a long shot

Quote:
When I strted using Xoops,I had problems with the system - it is not the easyest to be used/customised, but I chose it for the community here. If I have to make the choice again, I'm not so shure ...

And that's the beauty of it. Open source is all about this freedom. Freedom to come and go, to help or withold assistance, to contribute or just to take and use. And everybody here has that freedom. It's what binds us all, and what motivates us to stay.

Quote:
I'm far away of thinking to say to Skalpa or Mith how to code - I can't and they do not need it! But not everything in a project like XOOPS is coding ...
What do you want to add, from yourself to this project, to its community, to the pool of resources? What would make you happy if you could bring this to the pool? If you figure that out, you can be part of it all


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Posted on: 2006/1/3 9:42
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Re: Surveys and/or polls on XOOPS.org?

Quote:

Damaster wrote:
read from wikipedia how the Swiss manage their country. How they apply "direct democracy" through referedums?


Good read, thanks, very interesting I hear referenda aren't all that succesful in the EU though

Quote:
Wikipedia writes:
A fundamental objection to direct democracy is that the public generally gives only superficial attention to political issues and is thus susceptible to charismatic argument or demagoguery.

Another objection to direct democracy is that of practicality and efficiency. Deciding all or most matters of public importance by direct referendum is slow and expensive (especially in a large community), and can result in public apathy and voter fatigue.


It seems that public apathy can also be reached without referenda.

I can't find anywhere in the articles on direct democracy or here on this website that this particular polictical model applies to XOOPS. Or on any other open source project, for that matter.

A recent study from a fellow researcher from Europe showed that most open source communities have meritocratic decision making processes (Linux kernel, postgreSQL, Debian, Apache) (Bonaccorsi & Rossi 2003, Fielding 1999, Markus et al 2000, Moon & Sproull 2000, Egyedi & Van Wendel de Joode 2004). This means that you earn the right to vote based on your merits, what you have contributed to everyone's benefit. The more you contribute, the more influential your vote will be.
Debian has a system based on the Condorcet Voting SYstem, which is fairly complex. Votes are cast to select the best alternative, and everyone indicates their preference by ranking the alternatives. The alternative that is preferred by the majority (not the one with the highest overall score) is then chosen. Debian has hardly ever used it.
The Apache community has a simpler method than that of Debian. A vote is held at every commit. The vote usually does not amount to anything much. The patch will stay in if no-one votes negatively. The contributors participating in the voting process have 3 options: +1 if they agree, 0 if they abstain and -1 if they disagree. If you as a participant vote +1 then you automatically commit yourself to the patch. You become partly responsible for it. If afterwards it turns out to be faulty, then you have the responsibility to remove it and clean up the code. The voting system is not used to decide on which branch to use (if two alternatives are developed separately), nor is it used to decide on issues bigger than one module.

The study furthermore shows that the results of the voting isn't really important, and can easily be ignored. Decisions get added to the to-do list (PostgreSQL), but everyone can still decide for themselves what they want to do. It is the nature of open source.

And then there are other political systems to consider. There is of course the representative democracy in which voters choose (in free, secret, multi-party elections) representatives to act in their interests, but not as their proxies—i.e., not necessarily according to their voters' wishes, but with enough authority to exercise initiative in the face of changing circumstances. Another form of representative democracy involves impartial selection of representatives through sortition.

There are many forms of government and governance out there. If there was one that was the ideal form it would be used more often (despite what we Americans say ).


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Posted on: 2006/1/3 9:06
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Re: Surveys and/or polls on XOOPS.org?

LOL you honestly think your childish bahaviour here will prove to me and the rest of the community that your opinion matters more then anyone else's, and that you've earned more respect then I have? What a joke!

Seriously, you're only making a fool of yourself here. Very intelligent comments interlaced with extremely rude racist madman comments. If youhonestly have to resort to those tools every time you feel threatened by someone else's opinion, I pity you. I'm sorry, and you don't have to agree of course, but I do.
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Posted on: 2006/1/2 23:54
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Re: Surveys and/or polls on XOOPS.org?

Quote:

LazyBadger wrote:
Should the XOOPS Community have the right of veto (by qualified majority)?
Oh yes! At least 51% of all members! Lets see, 37500 members, that's a minimun of 18750 votes (and growing each day). Of course, votes are invalid if no quorum is reached.

Quote:

or

Should the XOOPS Community elect Contol Committee, which will have rights to block dangerous activity of XOOOS Foundation (Foundation Board) and XOOPS Management Team (current XOOPS Foundation is hunta, not "Vox Populi")?


and

should the community pay for the salary the professional and elected staff will get to do all this? Or should the Foundation levy a tax for this? Like a registration fee? $5/year isn't much to ask.. times 37500 is... $187.500. And that's not even the same amount Miro invested in Mambo every year...


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Posted on: 2006/1/2 23:49
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Re: Surveys and/or polls on XOOPS.org?

Quote:

Damaster wrote:
Poll suggestion :

Should the XOOPS Community have the right to vote and decide of goals?
Should the XOOPS Community review Teams Leaders?
Should the XOOPS Community vote for a project management team?
Should the XOOPS Teams (dev, design, QA, etc) be treated in equal manner?
Should the XOOPS Community keep an eye in Foundation monetary transactions?


And whhat, praytell, have you or those of the group you so easily call 'community' (isn't everyone, including the Team Leaders and project management team part of the community) done to earn the right to vote/ Besides registering on this site, of course.



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