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You never know until you try!
I've seen it before done by Borland. I think, everybody had 5 votes and they could give it away anyway they wanted. All 5 votes to one request, or 1 vote to 5 different requests.
You're right - there are a lot of good ideas floating around, but this is an easy way to find what people want.
Speaking of woting and ideas - can somebody tell us where we are with the redesign of the Website? I haven't been here for a while, so I don't if I missed something, or if the people in charge of the redesign dropped the ball. There were a lot of comments, proposals, ideas - but I didn't see anything coming out of this. Did I miss something?
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I see this as more prune to fail. How would we administer the money? Do you envision this as: Feature A has $100, Feature B has $50 in donations, and whoever implements it gets the money? If there are more than two developers working on it to get the money, who will judge it and decide on the winner? You? A committee? People by voting?
I could see it done similar to the "XOOPS Logo contest", but now go back and see how much time did it take you to evaluate the proposals. Who will have the time to do it for the modules/features? Remember - once people pay, they expect results!
Herko Coomans wrote:
Me too, and that's where I think this idea will fail.
You never know until you try!
I've seen it before done by Borland. I think, everybody had 5 votes and they could give it away anyway they wanted. All 5 votes to one request, or 1 vote to 5 different requests.
You're right - there are a lot of good ideas floating around, but this is an easy way to find what people want.
Speaking of woting and ideas - can somebody tell us where we are with the redesign of the Website? I haven't been here for a while, so I don't if I missed something, or if the people in charge of the redesign dropped the ball. There were a lot of comments, proposals, ideas - but I didn't see anything coming out of this. Did I miss something?
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Having said that, if we could link this with earmarked donations, we might find it easier to get the most popular features and or modules written by someone if he finds the donations make up for the resources he/she needs to spend on creating the code.
Basically a common-pool module order module
I see this as more prune to fail. How would we administer the money? Do you envision this as: Feature A has $100, Feature B has $50 in donations, and whoever implements it gets the money? If there are more than two developers working on it to get the money, who will judge it and decide on the winner? You? A committee? People by voting?
I could see it done similar to the "XOOPS Logo contest", but now go back and see how much time did it take you to evaluate the proposals. Who will have the time to do it for the modules/features? Remember - once people pay, they expect results!
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What is EFQ Directory module? What is the relationship to MX Directory?
wtravel wrote:
This is planned for the EFQ Directory module. This specific feature will be in the first full release. An alpha release (advanced search feature not included yet) will be released on Sunday 26th.
What is EFQ Directory module? What is the relationship to MX Directory?
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If possible, I would like to add a foreign language as an option. In the admin, I could select a default foreign language (e.g. English), and then on the entry form I would check "default foreign language" checkbox, and the user would see "English spoken here" graphic similar to the "Coupon" one. That would help the visitors in Paris or in Munich to see if a particular restaurant or business is good for people who don't speak French or German.
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The beauty of OpenSource is that you can work with whomever you want and on whatever project you want. It's up to the people to decide HOW and WHERE they want to spend their FREE TIME! Look, nobody gets paid for it, so why would you try to dictate to people what is right and what is shameful????
We have now (unfortunately!) XOOPS and XOOPScube, and it seems like we are using code from XOOPS Cube in the latest release 2.2.4, so it seems like we can benefit from each other. Let's see CodePlus as another opportunity to explore other ideas and learn from each other. May the best win!
But I wish that we would have only one XOOPS, incl. the original developers, and all work together for the better good of XOOPS. It's always unfortunate that it comes to a situation where the egos and differences are getting in the way.
Therefore my suggestion would be that we as a community get more involved in the decisions, so we won't run into situtation like this, where Catzwolf states: "Neill, also the lead developer and founder of WF-Products (formed in 2002), joined the XOOPS Core in 2004, but left XOOPS in recent months due to a difference of opinion in regard to the development of the XOOPS core.
To be honest, I would like to know what differences he is talking about, and why the only way for him was to leave? Since this seems to be similar to a situation with XoopsCube, where the other devolepers also left to create something different, what is the root-cause of this?
supernix wrote:
Plus this post has become somewhat of an attempt to try and hijack developers for the Codeplus group. Mighty dang shameful if you ask me.
The beauty of OpenSource is that you can work with whomever you want and on whatever project you want. It's up to the people to decide HOW and WHERE they want to spend their FREE TIME! Look, nobody gets paid for it, so why would you try to dictate to people what is right and what is shameful????
We have now (unfortunately!) XOOPS and XOOPScube, and it seems like we are using code from XOOPS Cube in the latest release 2.2.4, so it seems like we can benefit from each other. Let's see CodePlus as another opportunity to explore other ideas and learn from each other. May the best win!
But I wish that we would have only one XOOPS, incl. the original developers, and all work together for the better good of XOOPS. It's always unfortunate that it comes to a situation where the egos and differences are getting in the way.
Therefore my suggestion would be that we as a community get more involved in the decisions, so we won't run into situtation like this, where Catzwolf states: "Neill, also the lead developer and founder of WF-Products (formed in 2002), joined the XOOPS Core in 2004, but left XOOPS in recent months due to a difference of opinion in regard to the development of the XOOPS core.
To be honest, I would like to know what differences he is talking about, and why the only way for him was to leave? Since this seems to be similar to a situation with XoopsCube, where the other devolepers also left to create something different, what is the root-cause of this?
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Why offensive? Gee, if I don't agree with you on something, why does it have to be offensive? But I hope that we can focus on making the mxdirectory a better module instead of finding offense in stuff that we say here.
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That's your decision. Nobody can force you to do anything one way or the other.
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According to Webster one of the meaning of the word "use" is "to take unfair advantage of" and that's how it sound it to me. If you didn't mean it, then we are all cool.
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It seems to me that the moralistic statements are coming from you, i.e. it seems that you believe that because the community tested the module he should continue to share all his improvements with the XOOPS community. Since he didn't take the module away and since we can improve on this as a community, I am perfectly OK with what he did, so if you feel differently, let's agree to disagree on that. No offense!
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That's your decision. Nobody can force you to do anything one way or the other. But as I said earlier in this thread, I do appreciate your willingness to move the module to the next level, and I hope, we can move there together as a community...
danMAN wrote:
Now, I am starting to find this offensive.
Why offensive? Gee, if I don't agree with you on something, why does it have to be offensive? But I hope that we can focus on making the mxdirectory a better module instead of finding offense in stuff that we say here.
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I have just spent hundreds of dollars on this module, and I am beginning to think that I ought to go elsewhere.
That's your decision. Nobody can force you to do anything one way or the other.
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Let me explain for the last time: That's exactly what happened! Again, it is YOUR interpretation of it. In my book (and most other people's) using somoene for something does not necessarily have negative, let alone VERY negative, connotations.
According to Webster one of the meaning of the word "use" is "to take unfair advantage of" and that's how it sound it to me. If you didn't mean it, then we are all cool.
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That they then leave and go on using their improved/tested coding (and usually the code generated by others) as a core to further development and enhancement of what they want is ok as far as I am concerned. However, it is also ok for the community's members to simply state what has happened and lament the fact that the coder has chosen to not share the code built on what a multitude of others tested for him/her. So please rethink your inappropriate moralistic statements before posting them.
It seems to me that the moralistic statements are coming from you, i.e. it seems that you believe that because the community tested the module he should continue to share all his improvements with the XOOPS community. Since he didn't take the module away and since we can improve on this as a community, I am perfectly OK with what he did, so if you feel differently, let's agree to disagree on that. No offense!
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If this continues I am simply going to leave as I don't need this bull right now.
That's your decision. Nobody can force you to do anything one way or the other. But as I said earlier in this thread, I do appreciate your willingness to move the module to the next level, and I hope, we can move there together as a community...
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I was objecting to the "he used the community for testing".
"Using somebody for something" has a very negative meaning and that's NOT what was happening here.
danMAN wrote:
He gave, he used the community for testing, then he (unfortunately for us) left it at that and modified the directory for his own use. Nothing wrong with that - as I said previously I am inspired by his excellent set-up, and wish he shared more of his talent with us - I hope this doesn't come accross as disrespectful, and I certainly don't want to offend anyone.
I was objecting to the "he used the community for testing".
"Using somebody for something" has a very negative meaning and that's NOT what was happening here.
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WOW! This is awesome! I loved the Admin area!!!! Congratulations!!!! I hope, this will spark some new ideas for XOOPS!
John_N wrote:
If you are interested in what I am doing, I have put up a website with Codeplus. At the moment its far from complete and is not even considered an alpha release yet. So don't expect everything you to see as the complete work, as there is much more new code not shown.
Catz
WOW! This is awesome! I loved the Admin area!!!! Congratulations!!!! I hope, this will spark some new ideas for XOOPS!
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It's not that way you think. He is the author of the xdirectory, so actually you're using his code that he donated to the community. If he decided to move into a different direction with the code, we need to respect it. It's up to us to improve on his original code. I absolutely appreciate your efforts and your willingness to move with the code to the next level.
danMAN wrote:
What I want is inspired first by folsomliving (the guy does not want to share unfortunately, though I see he used this community to get some help a while back).
It's not that way you think. He is the author of the xdirectory, so actually you're using his code that he donated to the community. If he decided to move into a different direction with the code, we need to respect it. It's up to us to improve on his original code. I absolutely appreciate your efforts and your willingness to move with the code to the next level.
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