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culex
Re: The future of XOOPS?
  • 2015/5/12 13:46

  • culex

  • Module Developer

  • Posts: 711

  • Since: 2004/9/23


Quote:
Now theres another one called Culex, anyone see the "Danish Genius" lately?


Culex is still hangin' on by the skin o' his teeth and someone's actually at times telling him he's also getting a thing or 2 done. But haven't seen the danish Genius lately though

Good to see your also around still xoobaru

p.s. All good things in life has 5 letters and begins with C (i'm sure Cesag agrees) hehe



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Bleekk
Re: The future of XOOPS?
  • 2015/5/12 13:00

  • Bleekk

  • Theme Designer

  • Posts: 941

  • Since: 2002/12/14


I do not think that the module templates are the reason why it is so difficult to build really good looking themes.
In my opinion there are 3 main reasons:
1. hard coded html in the module code
2. xoops has really old forms, which means that they can not be used for bootstrap. Also you can not separate each form fileds from another. we should be able to use them in a much more flexible way
3. lack of standardization of xoops css classes



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Mamba
Re: The future of XOOPS?
  • 2015/5/12 12:30

  • Mamba

  • Moderator

  • Posts: 11373

  • Since: 2004/4/23


Quote:
If you want to know what hard is, try to theme the forums. It's a big pain to do so!

Bleekk is working currently on a theme for XOOPS German-speaking support, that also includes a theme for Forums (NewBB):

http://myxoops.xoopsthemes.com/modules/newbb/
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Mamba
Re: OWASP (The Apache Mod-Security People) "Cheat Sheets" pdf book for XOOPS developers
  • 2015/5/12 12:27

  • Mamba

  • Moderator

  • Posts: 11373

  • Since: 2004/4/23


OWASP is always great!

I am glad that this has been now updated! There is always something new to learn from there...
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Mamba
Re: Menus Manager
  • 2015/5/12 12:26

  • Mamba

  • Moderator

  • Posts: 11373

  • Since: 2004/4/23


You just need to explain step-by-step what you've done, and why do you believe it didn't work.

If I understand correctly, you have created a new download item in the WF-Downloads, and you wanted to add it to to the MyMenu.

So how did you do it, and what didn't work out?

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goffy
Re: Menus Manager
  • 2015/5/12 11:19

  • goffy

  • Just can't stay away

  • Posts: 535

  • Since: 2010/12/27


hi fla-ts

which module? which version?
xoops-version?
php-version?

in admin or user area? submit-button from where?


otherwise help is hard



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fla-ts
Re: Menus Manager
  • 2015/5/12 11:11

  • fla-ts

  • Friend of XOOPS

  • Posts: 204

  • Since: 2005/1/4 1


Quote:

fla-ts wrote:
Hey, I want to add a new item to downloads menu, it looks that sending does not work. File manager is okay but adding to the downloads menu is not although I used the correct ID number


Seems like the 'submit' button does not work



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fla-ts
Menus Manager
  • 2015/5/12 8:54

  • fla-ts

  • Friend of XOOPS

  • Posts: 204

  • Since: 2005/1/4 1


Hey, I want to add a new item to downloads menu, it looks that sending does not work. File manager is okay but adding to the downloads menu is not although I used the correct ID number



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vamptrix
Re: The future of XOOPS?
  • 2015/5/11 19:00

  • vamptrix

  • Theme Designer

  • Posts: 424

  • Since: 2008/5/3 1


The big issue with XOOPS theming is that it's very complex to do so.
What do I mean with that? XOOPS is burdened with the past, a lot of modules that are used often are quite old and are built years ago, and present all of their data and layout into table structures. However, since more than 10 years ago, designers have moved away from tables and more into div's and fluid layouts.
Tables are great for displaying data, but for layouts they're really the worst thing you can imagine. And that's a huge issue if you want to design for XOOPS: you have to keep in mind that almost everything is tabular, and if you want to work around that, you're basicly forced to write custom templates for every module, and there are a lot of those around.
The big issue with this is that in many themes, many modules render badly or are very hard to customize. Another thing which hurts us is that there isn't a "straight coding guide/style guide", every module developer has his own style and way of working. What this means is that every module looks different and is hard to style.
On WordPress, you don't have this issue: it's a blog by nature but can be used as a CMS, and in general plugins style themselves to look "okay" or "good". We don't have that here. A module can be shown awesomely in 1 theme, but look horrible in another one. We basicly need 1 or 2 theme frameworks to which all modules are written, but it will be a huge task to rewrite everything to that new standard/framework. A lot of work has been done in xBootstrap, but there's still a lot to do there. I've been working for weeks on a port of Foundation to XOOPS and it's really staggering how much work you need to do to get things to look right. You can port it over to XOOPS easily, but making it look Okay is very hard.

Currently, for me, the biggest issue in theming is not that it is too hard, but that it is way too much work to support all of the modules. We need to port those over to Bootstrap (not in the themes, but in the modules themselves!), and should push for new modules to be based on bootstrap themselves too. That way it's going to be a lot easier to theme stuff: if module developers design their modules using default Bootstrap elements, we just need to modify those default elements. Right now every module does things their own way, which is bloody hard to override.

As for documentation and the status of that, I'm working with Mamba (Michael) to get things done there too, but the wiki on XOOPS has quite a few issues and doesn't allow image uploads so that's blocking our progress. We're looking into a solution for that now.
The idea that I have is to have a wiki that everybody can edit, but only focussing on English and to have a basic article ready about everything and expand later. But first, a good foundation to work on and we're ready to go a long way.

I'm also a fan of a redesign of the XOOPS website (the current design dates from 2009! already, it can use a few updates). But once again, the modules underneath need the real update... :P If you want to know what hard is, try to theme the forums. It's a big pain to do so!



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xoobaru
OWASP (The Apache Mod-Security People) "Cheat Sheets" pdf book for XOOPS developers
  • 2015/5/11 14:06

  • xoobaru

  • Just can't stay away

  • Posts: 494

  • Since: 2010/12/2


This free coders cheat sheet reference is made available by OWASP.org. For XOOPS core and module developers who may learn something new from the best practices of a vast web security community, here is the link:

Cheat Sheets pdf

The rest of the site if full of good stuff, especially if you host with Apache.




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