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XOOPS: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

Posted by: MithrandirOn 2005/8/29 11:54:17 11062 reads

Due to the quickly discovered bugs present in the XOOPS 2.2.3 release, I have decided to follow the suggestion and re-label the release status to a RC, meaning that it is not recommended for a production website.

Development of a stable XOOPS 2.2.x version continues and with more than 10 people pledging to join the new beta testing group, I can assure everyone reading this that we will not make another release of XOOPS 2.2.x until we are absolutely certain that there are no bugs of the magnitude, we have seen lately.

The first step will be to get the beta testing group going, so the infrastructure is as it should be and the team is ready to test.
Then the testing will go on, bugs will be reported and the core developers will handle them before making new releases that will be tested by the testing group and only when the testers are happy, will a final stable release be launched.

With this new cooperation getting started, it will be difficult to say, when a stable XOOPS 2.2.x-based version can be released, but we will take the time that is necessary.

On behalf of the XOOPS Core Development Team

/Mithrandir

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Re: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

davidl2 Published 08/29/2005 12:00 XOOPS is my life! Joined 05/26/2003 Comments 4843

Mith, I think this is the right decision, and will allow the full release to be of the standard I know you - and all the Core team - and all users - will be satisfied with.

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zoullou Published 08/29/2005 12:11 Quite a regular Joined 03/02/2004 Comments 250

Good decision Mithy

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Shine Published 08/29/2005 12:25 Just can't stay away Joined 07/22/2002 Comments 822

I am very happy with this wise descision. Thank you Mith.
Take all the time for the 2.2.x release. Better be late than too early!

Now,.....let's go testing and debugging

Grtz., Shine

Re: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

giba Published 08/29/2005 13:09 Just can't stay away Joined 04/26/2003 Comments 638

I am too very happy with this wise descision.
Thank you Mith and core developer team.

Which the correct place to inform the tests and to also notify possible errors and the solution.

The way is bug to traker exactly?

Re: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

Methis Published 08/29/2005 13:26 Updated 08/29/2005 13:51 Just popping in Joined 06/25/2005 Comments 52

A difficult and brave decision that had to be taken.

I finally agree with you!

And, above all, dont' be in a hurry!

PS: My personal advice: you should use two different team of beta tester....if the first group, if possible with knowledges in PHP, gives the OK, the RC pass to a second step of beta testing with different people, not necessarly expert in php but that have used XOOPS for a lot of time for their websites.

PS2: I'd like to know where we can discuss (and I think we can, now that 2.2 isn't more an official release!) some news that was accepted with scepticism (like the login question)

Re: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

nachenko Published 08/29/2005 14:20 Quite a regular Joined 01/18/2005 Comments 356

I installed 2.2.3 one hour before this "relabeling", just as experiment. I found some problems with News 1.4 and WF-Section 2.07 modules. Where should I talk about these problems?

Re: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

vagelis Published 08/29/2005 14:39 Just popping in Joined 09/05/2004 Comments 79

That's was a good idea, but we have change everything in our site.
We are working in 2.2.3 version without problem. We like that.
If we continue to work in that version, what will happens in the next update?

thanks-vagelis

Re: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

kapeman Published 08/29/2005 15:24 Just popping in Joined 05/03/2005 Comments 87

Just a suggestion:

Shouldn't all bugs/fixes be posted in the support forums instead of the comments?

We have all seen bugs and the fixes posted in the comments of the announcements, but nothing posted in the support forums.

Shouldn't there be a notice that all these entries be placed in the proper forum so that any fixes can be more easily located?

Re: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

solo71 Published 08/29/2005 15:28 Module Developer Joined 01/29/2003 Comments 941

Wise and courageous decision, Mithy.

Re: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

Mithrandir Published 08/29/2005 15:37 XOOPS is my life! Joined 06/21/2003 Comments 6320

Vagelis: We are working on a 2.2.3 base to get it even more stable, even more bug-free and without further features added.

"All" we are doing is getting it tested better and more thoroughly. Fear not for upgrade path obstacles from 2.2.3(RC1) - on the contrary, we will work on making the upgrade process even more painless with better testing.

Re: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

cerbero Published 08/29/2005 15:37 Not too shy to talk Joined 09/11/2003 Comments 191

Greetings myth fopr that "Salomonical Decision".
But i have a question: im working fine with 2.2.2 version, i must regrate to a 2.0.x version?

Re: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

Mithrandir Published 08/29/2005 15:38 XOOPS is my life! Joined 06/21/2003 Comments 6320

Quote:

Shouldn't all bugs/fixes be posted in the support forums instead of the comments?

Actually, we have a Core bug report form for the sf.net trackers, that we would rather that people used.

Re: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

comegona Published 08/29/2005 16:12 Not too shy to talk Joined 11/09/2003 Comments 165

Sorry for cross posting but I have a little problemhere

Re: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

incama Published 08/29/2005 17:57 Friend of XOOPS Joined 10/24/2003 Comments 513

Maybe a nice vacation on a sunny island would help:):). Heads up everybody.

Re: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

DevoteeM Published 08/29/2005 19:03 Updated 08/29/2005 19:10 Just popping in Joined 01/31/2005 Comments 2

I may be an unknown quantity for many here, yet I give to consider the Enwticklern a few points:

- the kind of the seizure of power and striving for fame is beyond the goal shot and too many good Developer and designer has gives up on XOOPS to work
- the way of the advancement of Xoops, hit here, is the wrong. You push too many faithful users of XOOPS before the head, since this months
-long work would have to arrange and your conceptions fit on their are years of used modules again. Which would mean months
-long work, which they will not accept surely for these Web masters, if they have qualitatively better alternatives, which do not call themselves reliably Xoops.
- to become fair large promises and quality criteria to fall calmly over to unite few their Ego -. XOOPS beschreidet the wrong way and thereby very many user will lose.
- I am to be supported not ready this way, even if I may not be on this PAGE large light. The text was translated with Google, some Developer should be ashamed over its way and consider in general well-being of the XOOPS Community their weitern way very well.

Greez DevoteeM aka grafvonhenneberg

Orginaltext zum selbstübersetzen:

Ich mag ein Unbekannter für viele hier sein,

dennoch gebe ich den Enwticklern ein paar Punkte zu bedenken:

- Die Art der Machtübernahme und des Strebens nach Ruhm ist über das Ziel hinaus geschossen und zu viele gute Developer und Designer haben aufgeben an XOOPS zu arbeiten
- Der hier eingeschlagene Weg der Weiterentwicklung von XOOPS ist der falsche. Ihr stoßt zu viele treue Nutzer von XOOPS vor den Kopf, da diese monatelange Arbeit hätten, ihre seid Jahren verwendete Module neu zu ordnen und euren Vorstellungen an zu passen. Was für diese Webmaster monatelange Arbeit bedeuten würde, die sie sicher nicht in kauf nehmen werden, wenn sie qualitativ besser Alternativen haben, die sich sicher nicht XOOPS nennen.
- große Versprechungen und Qualitätsmerkmale wurden fallen gelassen um einigen wenigen ihrem Ego gerecht zu werden-. XOOPS beschreidet den falschen Weg und wird dadurch sehr viele User verlieren.
- Ich bin nicht bereit diesen Weg zu unterstützen, auch wenn ich auf dieser Page kein großes Licht sein mag.

Der Text wurde mit Google übersetzt, einige Developer sollten sich über ihre Art und Weise schämen und im Allgemein Wohl der XOOPS Community ihren weitern Weg sehr gut überlegen.

Re: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

gecko Published 08/29/2005 20:47 Not too shy to talk Joined 10/11/2004 Comments 152

Devoteem
there is no room for negative tragic translations around here from a guy who only makes one post.

Mith and the development crew ....

Good work, hard decision, you made the right one and we all thank you for it.

Look forward to stable release 2.2 is looking good so far just a few more tweaks.

cheers
Gecko

Re: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

xeen3d Published 08/29/2005 20:50 Just popping in Joined 10/11/2003 Comments 2

He cool
an iam a idiot (i trust the developers) an have updated my site to 2.2.3, first 2.2.x then 2.2.xx then 2.2.3 . and now i have a Produktiv Site with RC Software, very very cool, how mutch Bugs and Riscs are in the core ? how many Script Kids are playing now with my Site ?
what you are think about this ? first there coms one release then the next the next the next and then the developers find that all this full realeses now are RCs, fine i think iam at Microsoft here.
What you are think how mutch time now somone like me will wait for the next "full" release ?
In germany we call this Kindergarten, i will look now for a stable Portal Software whre the developers know what they are doing.

Re: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

davidl2 Published 08/29/2005 21:43 XOOPS is my life! Joined 05/26/2003 Comments 4843

There are no known security issues with XOOPS 2.2.3 - if you have any issues with it, simply post them here and it will be dealt with.

It will move to a full release version very soon - and practical feedback will help much more.

Waiting and posting issues is, i am sure, more sensible than moving a live site to another (more buggy!) system.

Re: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

DevoteeM Published 08/29/2005 21:51 Just popping in Joined 01/31/2005 Comments 2

Quote:

Devoteem
there is no room for negative tragic translations around here from a guy who only makes one post.

Mith and the development crew ....

Good work, hard decision, you made the right one and we all thank you for it.

Look forward to stable release 2.2 is looking good so far just a few more tweaks.

cheers
Gecko

If that is the whole Anwort for a Supporter for many years of Xoops, then I see so slowly forced to XOOPS the back to turn and qualitatively better OS projects my whole strength to give, when people those strike faithful trailers of XOOPS before the forehead. Such behaviors show, why very potent Developer/Desigern left the XOOPS Community. You veraegert very many XOOPS for many years Web masters with your behavior, nor you know any condition kind or have a tidy co-ordination. If nod DevoteeM is unknown, it will also remain it, your arrogance is not any longer to toppen. Adieu

Wenn das die ganze Anwort für eine jahrelangen Supporter von XOOPS ist, dann sehe ich mich so langsam gezwungen XOOPS den Rücken zu kehren und qualitativ besseren OS Projekten meine ganze Kraft zu geben, als Leuten die die treuen Anhängern von XOOPS vor die Stirn schlagen.

Solche Verhaltensweisen zeigen, warum sehr potente Developer / Desigern die XOOPS Community verlassen haben.

Ihr verägert sehr viele jahrelange XOOPS Webmaster mit eurem Verhalten, noch kennt ihr irgendwelche Standarts oder habt eine ordentliche Koordination.

Wenn der Nick DevoteeM unbekannt ist, wird er es auch bleiben, eure Arroganz ist nicht mehr zu toppen.
Adieu

Re: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

talunceford Published 08/29/2005 21:52 Just can't stay away Joined 08/14/2002 Comments 532

I think it was a very wise decision. As someone who runs quite a few different web sites, having stable software that is very near bug free is well worth the wait. Personally, I can wait. 2.0.13 works perfect for me.

Re: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

elevator Published 08/30/2005 4:55 Just popping in Joined 08/24/2004 Comments 21

I think perhaps there are a lot of people forgetting this is an open-source, non-commercial, volunteer project and that many of the developers involved are donating time and brain power to this project. Personally I think XOOPS is spectacularily wonderful, and I have decided to run 2.0.13 until these minor hiccups are fixed. Meanwhile, I trust the developers, continue to make backups of my site; a simple procedure, which based on many posts here are overlooked. If anything goes wrong, I have backups and need blame no one but myself.

Good job XOOPS developers! You still have my confidence.

Elev.

Re: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

nikzcokie Published 08/30/2005 7:05 Just popping in Joined 08/02/2005 Comments 9

Good decision Mith...You're genius!
Thanks team!.

Re: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

Joey79 Published 08/30/2005 10:42 Updated 08/30/2005 10:54 Just popping in Joined 07/28/2005 Comments 39

I found a problem with the registration/confirmation email.
The link reported for subscribing is incorrect:

http://www.domainname.exthttp://www.domainname.ext/modules/profile/etc etc

The domain name is repeated and, obviously, when the users click on the link they are not able to register :(

Where can I fix this bug? Is very important... I had a lot of people subscribing in these days

Re: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

MadFish Published 08/30/2005 15:40 Updated 08/30/2005 15:42 Friend of XOOPS Joined 09/27/2003 Comments 1056

Quote:

what you are think about this ? first there coms one release then the next the next the next and then the developers find that all this full realeses now are RCs, fine i think iam at Microsoft here.

No worries...you can obtain the Microsoft version here. Maybe you'd like a copy of Microsoft SQL Server as well?

Re: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

davidl2 Published 08/30/2005 16:23 Updated 07/13/2007 8:18 XOOPS is my life! Joined 05/26/2003 Comments 4843

Re: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

pvtpyro Published 08/30/2005 17:18 Updated 08/30/2005 17:19 Just popping in Joined 02/24/2005 Comments 67

ugh, wrong forum. too bad i cant delete my own post. sorry

Re: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

Xman04 Published 08/30/2005 20:35 Not too shy to talk Joined 07/12/2004 Comments 180

Hi,

I'm still using XOOPS 2.0.10 on one of my sites.

I'm wondering if I should upgrade to 2.2, 2.2.2, or only up to 2.0.13.1 for now. Are any of the 2.2 or 2.2.x versions stable enough for a full production site, or should I only upgrade to 2.0.13.1 for now?

Also, is there any time estimate for when a stable of version of 2.2.3 will be released?

Any information would be appreciated.

Dave

Re: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

carnuke Published 08/31/2005 8:39 Home away from home Joined 11/05/2003 Comments 1955

upgrade to the latest stable release for a production site, which I beleive is 2.0.13.1

any 2.2.x is not suitable yet.

Re: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

gfblock Published 09/01/2005 14:47 Just popping in Joined 09/30/2004 Comments 5

We have like a dozen XOOPS based web sites running with traffic higher than ever planned.
It proved to be a very stable platform. I'm anxiously waiting for the 4.0 !!!
The roadmap, it's philosphy, was the key point why we decided to go for Xoops.
I'm very happy with the job you have been done and, please, receive my kindest regards for the excelent job you are doing.

I personally worked on many CMS platforms, from the old Netscape servers and the first CMS from Micro$oft up to the newest more modern platforms.
Sure there are many powerfull tools that surpass the capabilities of Xoops, but you cannot beat this platform when you divide by zero. The cost you're paying for it.

And for those who thinks there are more professional, 'out of the Kindergarten' solutions look for how many service packs you'll need to run a MS CMS.

This is the way guys you're making it good !!!

Re: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

solo71 Published 09/01/2005 19:55 Module Developer Joined 01/29/2003 Comments 941

I feel like some of our german friends are upset with this 2.2 story. Remember guys, this is a collaborative project. Where were you when the core developers claimed for testing?

If you are not happy with the current situation, please, feel free to support the core team with constructive tests and reports. This would be the best way for all of us to quit the 'Kindergarten'...

Re: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

deadfs Published 09/02/2005 10:10 Just popping in Joined 09/02/2005 Comments 4

I can't speak for all the Italian community, but I guess this is the good decision.

As webmaster each new release represent an hard work to update all XOOPS sites.
I think all webmasters prefer to install a new version if it is necessary for security, or if there is something really new.

we all appreciate the hard work of developer team, but please don't release new versions too frequently.

Thanks for your wonderful CMS!

Re: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

Vahrokh Published 09/02/2005 14:17 Just popping in Joined 01/17/2005 Comments 16

To the whiner(s) above:

- who is paying you to install the absolutely last release of a software the very second is released? If Your Holy Site is so important you'd better to make backup copies and stick to a release reported as good for some weeks.

- why don't you send the bugs you find instead of crapping out? Oh, you can't find any and are just going after some F.U.D. bandwagon? Then why are you posting at all?

- if it's of MS quality, why don't you send some of Your Precious High Quality Code?
Last time I checked XOOPS code was not perfect but still of very good quality. Possibly better than a single professional developer with big time constraints could afford.

Re: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

deadfs Published 09/06/2005 15:21 Updated 09/06/2005 15:24 Just popping in Joined 09/02/2005 Comments 4

It's clear that you didn't understood anything at all in my post.
I'm a full supporter of Xoops, and I do my (little) best to contribute with module translations and some small hack. Despite of my weak English I'll try to better clarify my opinion:

I simply guess that XOOPS community don't needs a new official release every two weeks, because this CMS is good and stable, and when a new version is released it should be only because there are important reasons to do that (i.e. security holes or major improvements).
IMHO, a webmaster who use XOOPS for some production sites prefers to wait six months longer and install a more stable version.

Other is RC and beta release. For these there are no limits.

Quote:

Poster: Vahrokh Posted: 2005/9/2 15:17:33

To the whiner(s) above:

- who is paying you to install the absolutely last release of a software the very second is released? If Your Holy Site is so important you'd better to make backup copies and stick to a release reported as good for some weeks.

I make backups, and on my own Holy Site I'm still using 2.0.9.3 (with some handmade patches). But when there is a new release (not RC) I trust in developers choice and guess it is necessary to update my customer's sites to avoid security bugs and similar.

Quote:

- why don't you send the bugs you find instead of crapping out? Oh, you can't find any and are just going after some F.U.D. bandwagon? Then why are you posting at all?

When I found some bug I send a post to Xoopsit
Quote:

- if it's of MS quality, why don't you send some of Your Precious High Quality Code?

Because my code it is not so Precious High Quality as yours.
Quote:

Last time I checked XOOPS code was not perfect but still of very good quality. Possibly better than a single professional developer with big time constraints could afford.

I agree with you.

Re: XOOPS 2.2.3 relabelled to RC Status

catalin12345 Published 09/22/2005 21:06 Just can't stay away Joined 07/19/2004 Comments 434

any date ???for the new and the finnal release??how is going.???!?!?!?

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