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It is brave i know, but this new one looks and feels so good, my website is not that important to many people so its not a big deal if it breaks! Now i have learned phpmyadmin, its not so bad after all, that reminds me, i must keep this backup thing nightly now aswell! checking up on the CVS nightly is now easier with getright.. it can check the date and time of the file on the server and then i can just get it if its new!