Just wanted to let you all know that we have released the first beta version of our release. The version number of this release is XOOPS 2.0.10 JP Beta and available for download from the following sites.

http://www.xoopscube.jp/xoops/download.php
https://sourceforge.jp/projects/xoops/files/

The primary goal of our project is to provide fully secure, simple (light-weight), and scalable web application for all XOOPSers around the world. What we can say for now is that we're currently concentrating on making the 2.0.x JP releases secure and getting rid of any possible vulnerabilities found in the previous releases. A detailed roadmap is coming soon as well and will be announced shortly.

# I wasn't going to post this message here, however since I am getting lots of messages and was requested to reply here, I am doing so to hopefully make things clear for some people..

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Hey Kazu,

Good to see that you are still around =) I really wish you so much with XOOPS JP =)

ATB

Catz

I'll throw my 2 ugly cents at this; 2 cents that come off a "random nameless XOOPS user / mod developer" and how he feels all of this.

The feeling I have is about a former "Xoops is my creature" developer that sees that the direction of the software is not following his will any more and so decides to branch off it and do another release closely following his "directions" and style.
I won't judge about this action because it's useless to the prosecution of this branch of Xoops.

I will instead say that this moment of great weakness of XOOPS can be turned to great advantage with good timing and community management: XOOPS can now make the big leap from the former "son of a single man" concept (with many contributors) to shared source (shared source = with many protagonists that add to it since the planning phase).
Of course managing the new course will be really difficult due to the fact that the entropy a large group of "protagonists" can easily slip out of control and disintegrate the development in shards of sub-branches off litigants etc.

But if the effort will succeed, it will lead to a fully "community oriented and made" (sorry for my awful English) software that will surpass any "single guru centric" effort.

As for the JP release: you JP guys should think that who comes to your site should be able to understand something of it, expecially when you'll put up an official JP XOOPS home page.
As of now navigating the site for information on the new software is impossible, it's like those sites in strict German or French (with no English translation) that automatically cut off all non German and French people looking for their contents.

Another concern regarding those forks are the name given. Some times ago, user could find XOOPS and E-Xoops, which was confusing. Fortunately the E-Xoops team changed their name in Run CMS. Which is a very good point.

Now that we are talking about 3 forks (Xoops.org, Xoop Jap, and XOOPS Catzwolf), how are we going to deal with this ?

Dunno - but i'm happy here...

Hello all,

It's my first post here and I feel very concerned about this topic. I have used Mambo for 7 months and started to use XOOPS 2 months ago.

I change to XOOPS because it gives me more possibilities for my community web site than mambo and it's well documented.

I think the crisis you are facing is logical and necessary. XOOPS becomes bigger like it's community. After looking to XOOPS Nightly version, I see that XOOPS tries to answer to needs like flexibility and presentation for webmasters. And I think it's the biggest gap between Mambo and Xoops... I dunno if it will be possible to add the security the Jap Team is implementing to XOOPSPHERE which is really important. But for me the future of XOOPS is through what's coming...

After the rain comes the sun !!! Keep motivation and go from the front one...

Kalhell

After wathin this and other threads here on official XOOPS forums, I cant understand why the current (forked) core developers, dont listen the community, where are the patches provided to XOOPS and why there are not implemented in the core ?

As u can read from the following thread - http://forum.mamboserver.com/showthread.php?t=946&page=10&pp=10

Most of the XOOPS developers, which creates the best modules for X2, move out from XOOPS, what happend the Japanes founder of XOOPS ? This X2 is not the XOOPS, just another fork... It have to change the name to Mith's XOOPS or something

After year of searching why my sites looks and stay better with XOOPS 1.3 against those with Mith's XOOPS, now I understand it thanks to Catz and Predator.

IF the original XOOPS is so bad, ugly, insecure etc., why all developers from the XOOPS which not agree with Mith forks the XOOPS 1 Japs Edition (the real one xoops) ?

Before to say - why I'm complaining instead of help, take a look back in time for Unicode problem, Mith says - Will be ISO, and no UNICODE ... (I'm sure something like this is happed before E-xoops to born).

Before to say X2.1 Administration is new, fast and stable, take one year in the past in Ciamos CVS, they all ready created before this X2.1 - http://www.ciamos.com.

XOOPS (Mith's Edition) Italian Support site (for sure no more official, update your links), creates a patch similar to Marcan's ML 2.0, but a little bit better, whith option and detailed description how to hack existing ciamos modules to enable display to one or all available languages, no one here listen to (this is the easiest way to make X Multi Language enabled.

In some community boards, I saw not only one time, XOOPS loosing his speed when comes with huge ammount of data, and in the begining I wont believe them - XOOPS is faster, yeah, but they notices are true, XOOPS fill with more data, downloads users, X2 is slower than everything else even and Nuke.

My task is over (Bulgarian translation, both of them Mith's way, and Unicoded), all other planned and started translations will be released when are ready. One CMS without international support will go in ... history, no matter that Bulgaria is a small country, sooner or later with this actions against XOOPS community u will loose and others, Chinese are on the way, Japanese is out, Italian too.

Thanks to this community I learn some good points... Thanks guys, special thanks to Marcan's help (ML author), Frankblack (Debaser author), Rowd (Sitelang auhor) and some ppl from the Japanese community (cant remeber all the nicks).

We used to say here "Post Tenebras Lux"

- After darkness the light!

Well, have the choice among the individual branchs of the XOOPS project can be a good thing for the user, if he can assemble the best of each one.

A Xoopser who's keeping optimism to stay Zen!

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In XOOPS CVS Nightly.

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Thank you for giving me so much credit as to being the only one doing anything for XOOPS. Thank you for thinking that nothing will every be done unless I do it.
Thank you for being wrong.

I have never meant that unicode is bad or useless (a word, you use quite a lot) but it is not something I prioritise highly. And anybody who belive they can change my mind by saying "I think that it should be implemented" without any arguments of any kind, no explanations of why the need is so great and no clear benefits that I can understand without reading extensively about it... well, they are wrong.

I neither can nor will investigate every suggestion. If the suggester does not think it is important enough to give a proper explanation, why should I think it is important enough to spend time and resources on it?

I was just saying the other day that WWIII couldn't happen so long as we have the internet, citing XOOPS as evidence of that - because so long as so many very different people from all over the world can communicate & collectively create something as cool as XOOPS has become, we could never demonize eachother as necessary in times of war. If you look at the XOOPS project from a Zen kinda perspective, its amazing to have come so far, & its a great accomplishment to have done so when the global climate would sooner rip us all apart. Our current state of flux seems a metaphor for the greater macrocosm, as political ties break & the various nations turn inward.

But at the same time, I like the individuality that has developed between the various *official* nation-based support sites, I like that for lack of a "mascot" many of the individual sites have created their own, & I can see them all happily coexisting in Xoopsland somewhere, even if every one of them grabs a fork & runs with it.
Let there be 20 forks, imagine the potential... just so long as they keep enough of the *core* intact that they could be interchangeable, sharing functions & modules as they evolve. That might even be really, really cool.

*shrugs*