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Re: can xoops compete with joomla?

2005/12/13 3:12
Mamba
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news team is not dead..

Monty, this is great to hear!!!

It would be great if we could get feedback from other teams about their status quo, i.e. what is happening, what they've been working on, etc.

If a team is dead, we need to look for new people and reestablish it. And we need to communicate back to the community about the status. Every team leader should understand that this is one of their responsibilities as a team leader - to provide updates about progress. Otherwise why would you have a team?

Could we all try to focus on what could we do for XOOPS? Didn't somebody said it already: "Don't ask what the country can do for you, but ask what you can do for the country"?

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Re: can xoops compete with joomla?

2005/12/13 3:05
Mamba
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David,

nobody asked you to leave!!!! Come on! You need a thicker skin

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Re: can xoops compete with joomla?

2005/12/13 3:03
Mamba
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To all of you who are so discontent with the way XOOPS is being run, I see you as having three choices;

1) Quit XOOPS and use another CMS.

2) If you want something done, get off your lazy butts and do it yourself instead of making demands on other peoples free time that are trying to do something.

3) Get over it and stop the whining. I can guarantee 99.99% of the XOOPS community think you are acting like spanners and wish you would just go away.

There is also a 4th alternative: start communicating in a professional manner with each other, instead of accusing each other and getting defensive.

There is no need for David to leave. There will be always somebody who is not happy or satisfied, and while LB could benefit from being less negative, David need a "thicker skin"

Come on, guys, XOOPS is not a country run by some dictatorial government, so therefore there should be always room for different opinions, as long as they are expressed with respect and in professional manner. Shooting back and escalating doesn't help either.

So let's try to focus on the tasks, find out what would be the priorities, and then start working on them. It seems like News, Documentation, and Themes would be a good start.

I definitely appreciate Monty's comments about being only two-men team, and about him being sick. But those things should be communicated in advance, or as soon as it is possible. If somebody doesn't have time for next couple of weeks/months - let's try to find somebody, or at least let the others know, so the expectations are set correctly. Otherwise you have to justify after the fact, and it's always harder.

Let's try to work as a community!!!! We all can only benefit from it.

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Re: can xoops compete with joomla?

2005/12/13 0:41
Mamba
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XOOPS.org XOOPS.org (Project) have a huge set of died Teams, every new team change only rank of memebers, nothing more
You can see some teams here - and note, what last time changes not reflected on this page... Site not maintained, it's frozen, except sporadical (user-submitted) news and overactive forums

News Team - died
Liason Team - died
Module Development - died with XOOPS 2.2
Theme Design - died
Quality Control - have some own "internal" life, doesn't affect module quality at all
Support - died... or at least invisible and useless in forums
Documentation - died... Current docs is a bad parody on "documentation"
Community Relations - died... Obviously...
Product Development - died. We haven't product, or something like as "Concept of product". And XOOPS can't be product now, it's more question, than answer.
Joomla - product, brand
Drupal - product, solution
Xaraya - product, even site show it

Thanks for posting the link. I am guilty of not seing it before. Yes, it seems like there is some outdated information, and some of the teams are not working. But let's not see it only as a problem, but as an opportunity. The good news is that there was some structure before, and at the first look it seems like a reasonable idea, so we can build from it!!!!

We might need to re-energize some of the teams, get fresh blood on some of them, get new leaders in place, etc., but it's there, and we can build on this.

Badger, in reading several of your postings, it seems to me that you tend to see glass half-empty. If you could for a minute see the glass half-full, which areas would you recommend to focus on to make XOOPS a better and more successful project? Which areas/teams are good and working, so we can use them as a role model for other teams within XOOPS?

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Re: can xoops compete with joomla?

2005/12/13 0:14
Mamba
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LB, if there will be no strong news (&acts) in next few days,

you're definitely setting high expectations here

But that's where I see a flaw in the current proccess. This kind of news shouldn't come up only after people start to be impatient. It should be part of the process. The Roadmap has been published, so there should be a communication about where we are, and what is the status, w/o big surprises - negative or positive. Otherwise you'll condition the community to wait and do nothing, because they will live from one big news to the other.

I really would suggest a process where the next big steps are being presented, then discussed in the community, feedback collected, and only then decisions made and communicated.

What you saying is that somebedy will throw something big over the wall to us, but we won't be able to discuss it and provide feedback. Is this correct?

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Re: can xoops compete with joomla?

2005/12/13 0:05
Mamba
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please please be patient.
everyone knows lack of our project.
skalpa is on the way to push XOOPS at a higher level.
he needs some quite area, to make our next version, more documented, more stable. Of course we want to share, but from now time is on work table, to make sharing possible.
he has worked these last weeks very hard, believe me.
I let him benefits to announce by himself what has been made and how things will go, he will do that in next few days.
thanks for your comments. you're right, but XOOPS needs to be pushed at a higher level, we need to communicate better, but this can be done only on a good core basis.

Of course, we can be patient. But if you mean by a "good core basis" a good source code, I'm not sure what you mean. You can communicate regardless of how good is your core. The communication issues won't go away, even the Skalpa comes with a major breakthrough in the code area.

It seems to me that it would be beneficial to reevaluate the current community processes. I would recommend to look at the more established and successful OpenSource project to find out what works and what doesn't, and what from the best practices could be applied to XOOPS community.

If Skalpa is working on the code, it doesn't prevent other people to publish the structure of the teams, to show who is on which team, and what are they responsible for. With a more transparent structure, it will be easier to understand how XOOPS works, who to contact, etc.

I would also like to see that we stop with any critical comments which could be read as personal attacks. I can see that some of the people here are frustrated, but if we care about this project, let's be civilized and professional. Let's raise issues (sometimes again and again), but let's not attack each other.

The Core Team is doing a great job overall, but as with every project, there are areas for improvement, and opportunity for them to learn on how to manage "Open Source projects", and not only code releases. This includes communication, processes for better community involvement, etc. Yes, it might require extra work in a unfamiliar teritory for some of them, but that's also part of growing - you either are willing to do it yourself, or you engage people who can do do it for you. If communication is a problem, get somebody who is good in communication. After all, we all want XOOPS to succeed, and the day has only 24 hour

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Re: Business Directory Created

2005/12/11 18:38
Mamba
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Since: 2004/4/23

there are no files there:

The requested URL /dl/mx-directory/5 - Beta and RC Releases/ mx-directory BETA v2.0/XOOPS2_mod_mx-directory.zip was not found on this server.

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Re: Theme builder wizard

2005/12/11 12:03
Mamba
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Since: 2004/4/23

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It's a good idea - although perhaps it may result in some more rigid designs in some ways.

This would be only a starting point to produce a correct, solid theme. Beginners could stop there and just use it as is, but advanced people could customize it manually.

Also, if somebody could create such a Theme builder wizard to design themes using a color theory similar tohttp://www.color-wheel-pro.com/sample-schemes.html, it would be even more appealing!

Quote:

Also check www.myxoops.com for Pod's Dreamweaver utility.

I have it, but it's more a time saver for coders, and what I am looking for is a visual tool for designers (and/or XOOPS beginners) who might have no idea about Smarty, etc.

On another note - I found this cool Website dedicated to CSS:http://www.csszengarden.com

Just choose the different style sheets and enjoy the different approaches.

It would be really cool if we would have themes like these on the XOOPS main Webiste as a show case for XOOPS.

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Re: Theme builder wizard

2005/12/11 10:04
Mamba
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How difficult would it be to develope a visual "Theme builder Wizard", where people could select options (e.g. banner (yes/no), right blocks visible (yes/no), and then select colors for particular elements (e.g. block heading, main text, etc.), and all of this could be visible in real time on the screen.

Once done, you can save your work (for future changes), and then generate the theme.htm and the corresponding CSS files.

This would be a good start for anybody to create themes, which they could be then customized. Right building a them is somewhat too time consuming, especially for poeple who are not very good at coding.

If this would make it easier for people to create themes, I am sure that we could have a lot of new themes and thus an advantage against Joomla.

It wouldn't have to be a very complex "do it all" wizard. Just one that would generate a basic standard theme.

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Re: can xoops compete with joomla?

2005/12/10 19:04
Mamba
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Since we've prided ourselves on our community, I also am perplexed at the little info coming from the devs. I really think info should be a bit more transparent in order to strenghten the community feel.

I think, monthly or quarterly "Update reports" from the Dev teams would be nice. Something along the lines:

This our vision for XOOPS (read details here...), and that's how we getting closer to it:

Areas of focus for us since the last report was: xxx

Areas where we were successful are: xxx

Areas where we need help: xxx

Individual Team Reports:

- Team A (overview of recent activities, successes, and setbacks)
- Team B ...

I would also like to learn more about the developer team. On SourceForge I see that there are 109 members:

http://sourceforge.net/project/memberlist.php?group_id=41586

but I would like to know more about the structure. Who is on which team, what are the teams responsible for, who is the team leader, etc. Having this info on the Web would make it more "human", thus more accessible and engaging.

Each team should also have some goals and timeframes for them. And then report back to the community on the progress.

Let's make the structure and interaction with the community more transparent and more engaging. After all, we all want XOOPS to be the best!!!

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