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Re: Beginners Unfriendly
  • 2007/12/31 13:25

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Thank you for your comments. Please don't get me wrong. I am a great supporter of open source community software development and I think XOOPS has a lot of potential. That is why I am offering my feedback, for whatever it is worth.


And I very much appreciate the fact that you took your time to provide us with feedback!

I agree with your points, and hopefully we as XOOPS community will be able to make your suggestions become a reality soon.
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Re: Beginners Unfriendly
  • 2007/12/31 3:41

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3) There is nothing installed except the system module and it takes a long time to find the documentation on how to remedy this. There appear to be many empty wiki pages scattered around the place which confuse the documentation search trail. The requirement to search documentation and do additional manual uploads/installs to get ANY functionality is definitely beginner unfriendly.


In general I agree with your feedback - we need to provide a version for the first time user with the basic modules.

Something what Barroca just recently did with this pack:

http://www.XOOPS.org/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=90

You can read the whole story here:https://xoops.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4082

We had few packs done by Mithrandir, but I think, it was done for another version of XOOPS:

https://xoops.org/modules/core/viewcat.php?cid=9

but most of them should work for the 2.0.X version as well. Please note that some of them might be outdated, and some new recommendations are here:
http://xoopsinfo.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=3517

I hope, we'll see soon a packages based on the above list.

You can also read this document called "Guide to essential XOOPS Modules"
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Re: NEW Excting Xoops Book!
  • 2007/12/15 9:12

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Awesome! Congratulations!

Now I hope, you'll have time to finalize your "profile" solution and release it to us!
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Re: Show us the $$$....!
  • 2007/12/13 19:08

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The dissolution of the foundation is the best news of the year for the project.


I have to disagree. Almost all of the big Open Source projects have some kind of a Foundation which serves as the legal representative.

What we have to make sure is that it properly represents XOOPS interests, that the Board is being elected by others and self-appointed, and that there is transparency in everything what the do.
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Re: Show us the $$$....!
  • 2007/12/13 19:05

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I'm not talking about ban them from xoops.org website, but from the XOOPS project at sourceforge.net


Nobody should be banned, unless they do something wrong. Supporting other projects is not wrong! That's Open Source!
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Re: Show us the $$$....!
  • 2007/12/13 19:02

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3) Everybody in the Open Source community knows and understands the meaning of a fork, and ImpressCMS is a fork!

BTW - I assume, ImpressCSM people will follow the Guidelines posted by Herko in 2006

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- The code (a derrivative work of the XOOPS open sourced code) is released under the terms of the GPL 2.0. This doesn't mean you can't sell the product, it does mean you can't restrict buyers freedom to use and do with it that they want. Failure to comply with this condition may result in legal action.

- The original source of your code (the XOOPS Project) is credited in every file containing a bit of original code. The code may be open source, but it IS copyrighted by the XOOPS project and its original authors. The copyright is licenced (making it copyleft), but not removed.

- The XOOPS project is credited somewhere public as well. Its only fair to do so when you make money with other people's work, with your own work added to it.
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Re: Show us the $$$....!
  • 2007/12/13 18:52

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+1 BAN THEM ALL FROM THE XOOPS PROJECT!!!!!!!!!


No, we don't want to do it. Everybody is free to participate and support any projects they want, as long as they don't sabotage XOOPS. They might change later on their minds and come back. That this happened in the past.

We as a community have to focus on creating positive energy on XOOPS.

I truly hope that we'll resolve the current disagreements with some of the supporters of ImpressCMS so we all can move on to our respective projects.
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Re: Show us the $$$....!
  • 2007/12/13 18:22

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actually technically, the foundation is for supporting XOOPS, and as impressCMS is technically XOOPS, just not DJ's XOOPS, nobody breeched the foundations policy and statute, because impressCMS is still XOOPS for the time being. it just isn't XOOPS.org xoops.


1) As stated on ImpressCMS:

"ImpressCMS is an Open Source Content Management System derived from XOOPS 2.x. The goal of this project is to produce a free, open source content management system that is secure, scalable, user-friendly, standards compliant, accessible, and impressive!"

I would like to point to the wording "derived". I hope you can check the meaning of this word in your Webster dictionary, but according to my dictionary "derived" means "not present in the ancestral form", so you really cannot claim that "ImpressCMS is XOOPS".

2) One of your first task on SourceForge ImpressCMS that you focused on was to Task 144675 with the goal to "Replace the reference to XOOPS and XOOPS Project". So who are you kidding?

3) Everybody in the Open Source community knows and understands the meaning of a fork, and ImpressCMS is a fork!

4) Everybody in the community also knows that ImpressCMS was created by people who are hostile to XOOPS's current Project Council. We all have the records of fights, threats, disagreements, etc. between the leaders of ImpressCMS and XOOPS. So any court will clearly see that ImpressCMS has been created as a competitive project to XOOPS.

5) Now, the LEGAL obligation of XOOPS Foundation and its Board members is to "to support the XOOPS Project and the XOOPS Community in any way it can". So I would love to see how the board members actually fulfilled their legal obligations by joining and supporting a competitive project, and how the XOOPS Project benefited from it?

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on a legal standpoint, nobody did anything unjust. and that is not up for argument. morally i agree there is seen to be a conflict of interest, but not legally. anyway discussion closed.


I suggest that you talk to a lawyer about it before you make this kind of statements.

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and before anybody asks anymore questions about money and whatever, WAIT FOR THE OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT. this is the last post from me here, and you will not get anymore answers or responses from anyone relating to impressCMS on xoops.org *or* xoopsinfo unless it's a support issue.


We are not interested in ImpressCMS. It's a free world, and everybody is free to do fork other projects, and while this is unfortunate, I wish you all the best.

What we are here about is to represent XOOPS interests since the people who were chartered with it, have failed in doing it by supporting and joining competing project.

And I really would like to appeal to those people who decided to create and support ImpressCMS - you've made your choice, then MOVE ON! Stop fighting with XOOPS people, stop dragging it on.
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Re: How much money has the xoops foundation earned in 2007?
  • 2007/12/13 17:36

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The report has not been yet published. But I would expect that we'll have this published as part of transition from Herko, DavidI2, and Marcan, to new Board.

I assume that we can legally make the transition on January 1st, 2008, so the current Board will have full legal accountability for all financial aspects for 2007. This way we'll have a clean cut-off date for reporting as well.
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Re: Xoops community donations being used to fork Xoops?
  • 2007/12/13 17:31

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Now if its being dismantled who would take care of legal issues? To be blunt ... right now if Ono is still the owner of the domain and only dns pointing has been changed to dj´s server he would be probably get sued for things happening here on site if something happened. Doesnt seem right to me.(actually if i were him i would have handed the domain over to whomever he liked long time ago or would have kicked everyone out of here two years ago)

But back to topic ... who would continue it and if not: what with the funds? Don´t now about the legal part. In Germany i believe it would be given to charity upon dismantling. Not sure what would be the deal here.


The Foundation is not being dismantled. Following the recent violation of their legal duties as Board members, Herko, DavidI2, and Marcan have been asked to resign, and to transition Foundation to new members to be appointed by the Project Council.

Marcan has already resigned, and we are still waiting for response from Herko and DavidI2. I hope they understand that since they have committed to ImpressCMS they violated their legal duties as Board members, and therefore they cannot be on the XOOPS Foundation anymore. I hope, they will do the right thing and move on without causing more damage to XOOPS.

I also hope that they will make the correct transition to new Board members who will be appointed soon by the XOOPS Project Council. This is just their legal obligation resulting from the fact that XOOPS Foundation is a legal entity governed by Dutch law, and they as officers have to ensure that the legal and financial aspects of the Foundation are properly transfered to new officers.
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