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Re: htmlArea - WYSIWYG editor
  • 2004/3/10 14:35

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Hi Kotis

I like your work, though I didn't see the source ...

I started working on it long ago, but stopped, due to the fact that (as you said) lots of core - source needs to be changed.
I had a bad expirience with source code changes: I has a 1.3.x Xoops based site which is full of code little customizations which no longer can be upgraded with the officials upgrades..... that made me realized that If you want your site to keep "living" and keep renewing along with xoops, you can't mess too much with the core, unless you make it an "official" change @ core.... and for that you have the "core devs" team which I'm removing the hat from my bald had to.... .... so .... when I saw they are going to that direction anyway, I stopped my work and went to other things...

p.s. - I think that your "Image-browser" for htmlarea , or at least it's alpha ver. was once upon the time developed by me as an HTMLAREA addon

I'm not here a lot lately, but it's so good to see this community working as it works... I simply like XOOPS and It's community



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Re: PPnews for xoops 1.3.8
  • 2003/10/7 16:58

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Hi kuht.it
10x for replying
Yep - very interested in the hack
can you send it to tzvook@dotcom.co.il ?
10x in advanced.



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Re: PPnews for xoops 1.3.8
  • 2003/10/2 8:40

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10x Herko for the quick reply

Yep the password thing it a bump indeed, but since I'm still using XOOPS 1.38 (can't upgrade - too many hacks and mods), seems that the only option is to finish doing it manually through the users interface (aufull and boaring work .. maybe one of my editors will do part of it)

It teach one thing though - not to mess with too many custom mods, stay closer to the core as much as you can



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Re: PPnews for xoops 1.3.8
  • 2003/10/2 7:49

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no bright ideas ppls ?
hard to belive no-one has this problem ...



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PPnews for xoops 1.3.8
  • 2003/9/21 18:56

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Hello folks,
I'm still using 1.3.8 on one of my sites, and since it's full of hacks, some are custom, I won't upgrade for a long time.

I'm using PPnews, but I has about 1300 users that I need to enter to the PPnews, a bit tricky without messing with MySQL directly.
since PPnews integration with XOOPS is so poor, I hope someone did some kind of hack for the problem.

I'd like to hear some opinions about that
10x



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Re: htmlArea - WYSIWYG editor
  • 2003/9/21 18:10

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Yep Nautis
It sure is !!!!

I said everything above, but I sure hope the next XOOPS version will include wysiwyg as an options for selected groups (That way Security hazard will be reduced)




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Re: htmlArea - WYSIWYG editor
  • 2003/7/28 10:58

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Quote:
Giving them the full range of HTML layout (like font, color, size etc.), they will ruin our coporate look


Depends on the htmlarea buttons you'll "give" them...

Quote:
Just to put a general question out there... what are the main difficulties with the BB code editor right now? IMHO, it doesn't seem any more difficult than HTMLarea to use.


As developers we usualy can't look inside the users head, we think different, I used to end up giving too much options to the users, which made them not using any of them in the end.

So I started folowing my users (not just Xoops, but a lot of systems We made), and I'm talking about thousands of users: munivipalities, big companies and so... and I found out the abious answere - the most important thing for a user, almost all skills levels is the INTUITIVITY - they'll use something they are used to it (WYSIWYG looks like their WORD editor, and that's it ... they need the confidance of the friendly interface).

Xoops users might not need it so much, but the editors/moderators which are content ppls and not tech ppls, needs it badly, and when I gave them the option, they used WYSIWYG about 400% more then with the original BBCODE....I had to take off the wysiwyg hack for XOOPS 1.3.x, due to a very buggy hack, but I was very sorry about it.

So in the end we stayed with this answere:
users will use WYSIWYG much more then the BBcode, will feel much better with it, we simply need to think "how to" , "who to give the HTMLAREA options to" and "how much (options) to" to give, and be aware that every CMS will use it soon, due to the reason we all know - everything runs forward, not backwards !!!

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I usually just end up typing in the codes by hand, but I come form a programming background so this makes sense to me. Also I find typing the codes much faster. But what do others think? What is lacking and what makes htmlArea such a *great* alternative?


The answere is in the question - ppl's like to give their feelings, not just their content, and they do it with bold, colorfull fonts, they need the "redo - undo" of the WYSIWYG, the "copy - paste" is good for the comon user that don't know the CTRL+C and CTRL+V, the "find and replace for big articles, tables ability, special characters ability, "align right ... align left" , and, well, do I need to go on with this...

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To make the editor 'configurable' (e.g. make certain tags/codes allowed or not) will bring up the same security issues as have been discussed with the htmlarea. The security threat here though is only the 'look' of the site, wheras with html could be far worse.


That's the point: it's almost the same security issues as the BBcode, that's the reasons it needs to be done by the XOOPS developers, and not as a CORE hack - it needs a lot of thinking and planing, but a good integration of it to the core (even just for the editors/moderators) will bring XOOPS one level up as a leading CMS (though to my opinion it's in the top right now !!!)

WOW - this was long !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The XOOPS community done it again - I just come to see what's new and I ends up with killing a half work day, but well .. using XOOPS and seeing how much ppl's help to each others worth the effort !!!




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Re: htmlArea - WYSIWYG editor
  • 2003/7/23 23:40

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yep, youv'e got a point - html editing might be a security hazard, but so does a lot of moduls I saw here...
But the way I use wysiwyg mostely, is not giving it to plain users, but to the editors/moderators.
if you want to controll users with htmlarea, you may "give them" a siplier version of the script without "code mode" and without images/files manipulation.

and if you want to go some more into it - look @ LUIS's addon for striping WORD code on the fly (paste comm.) - it can be used for whatever code you need to strip.

every good cms uses wysiwyg !!!
xoops simply need to choose it's wysiwyg, choose how to limit the use of it, the option it gives and so on...
The net is running ahead, us spiders can't stay behind



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Re: htmlArea - WYSIWYG editor
  • 2003/7/23 21:11

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It's the first time I see someone integrated XOOPS and htmlarea, you've got a point kotis - if you want to integrate it 4 the whole system, you need to give up the bbcode and icons (would be replaced by the htmlarea icons and the wysiwyg), but each textarea must have an option in the admin to cancel htmlarea.

one more option - may be a different htmlarea options for every user group (very easy to do).
To my opinion, integrating htmlarea to XOOPS is work for the XOOPS devs to do in the new version (if they'll find it important enough).
all can be done now is to integrate it in a few moduls...


P.S.
the only searchable image manager I saw there was made with asp crap.



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Re: htmlArea - WYSIWYG editor
  • 2003/7/23 19:38

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Quote:

chapi wrote:
Btw, wfsections already uses a Wysiwyg Editor ..


WFS Wysiwyg Editor is like a bad joke compare to htmlarea, though I think Cats is the best and wfsection is a great piece of work... and I've use it a lot !!!

we both tried to integrate htmlarea without sucsess in XOOPS 2.x (I tried the news and reviews modules).
I know htmlarea quite good and made a few php addons for it (file + Image managers).

Version 2.03 of HTMLAREA support Netscape too (plugin), but htmlarea worth the effort of integrating it for Explorer users (95% of the market), it's very versatile, and usually very easy to integrate, I integrated it in a lot of apps, I think my problems came due to the smarty use (I don't know a thing about it and don't have the time to try )

I sucsessfuly integrated htmlarea just into the "section" module for 2.03, all other moduls were too problematic, but I'll be glad to assist to the dev's who'll try to do it for the whole system.

HTMLAREA's dev community is one hell of a community, great ppls out there, XOOPS and HTMLAREA are the only places I spend my limited free cyber time.

Tzvook
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