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Re: clone xoops index page (please read .. searched, cant find solution)
  • 2012/7/19 17:48

  • RamteamJax

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oh wow, that sounds nice. maybe that's what I need. when i'm home, I surely will check it out.
thanks :)



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clone xoops index page (please read .. searched, cant find solution)
  • 2012/7/19 14:26

  • RamteamJax

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Hi there,

First of all, I tried the search function on this website and looked all over google, but I can't find the answer to my issue.

So what's up ?

When you've installed Xoops on a webserver, then the index page lets you set up blocks all over the frontpage (left, right, top, bottom left/right/bottom, center etc).

I want to create multiple pages with this, but after filling in the frontpage, there's no such option for me. I'm running 2.5.5 final btw.

Can someone tell me how to do this ? I've installed multiple modules and tried basically everything I can find, but still without any succes.

Please help me with it. I'm rebuilding my company website and the way I want to fill it in, I need the exact same code as the frontpage.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers,
Jax



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Re: Cookie Warning (new European law) insertion. How ?
  • 2012/7/18 13:11

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Quote:

Peekay wrote:
@shine

As Mamba has already pointed out.

From the ICO website:

Quote:
Some cookies can be exempted from informed consent under certain conditions if they are not used for additional purposes. These cookies include cookies used to keep track of a user’s input when filling online forms or as a shopping card, also known as session-id cookies, multimedia player session cookies and user interface customisation cookies, eg language preference cookies to remember the language selected by the user.


Session cookies, language cookies, cookies to prevent security issues are exempt under this law and fall under the status of 'implied consent'. You do NOT have to ask permission to set them before the site is loaded.

If you implement a script to pop up a cookie warning when you are just setting a session cookie, many people will (quite rightly) assume you want to set tracking cookies and go elsewhere.

As the only way to record someone's consent to cookies is to set a cookie, or to store their IP address in a database, this stupid law is encouraging webmasters to record more personal data about site visitors than before the law was introduced.


Thát is so true. Ridiculous law. While, for example, in 90% of european countries you only have to notify visitors about cookies (either on top or bottom or left/right of the page), in the Netherlands and I believe (not sure) France, you need to implement a pop-up and ask for permission.

As a fellow CSC (cyber security consultant), my nephew (who leads the IT behind the scenes in 'de tweede kamer') notified the government about this crazy and stupid and extremely ridiculous law, especially because either:

- some systems do not have the option to implement such thing which leads to a lot of costs for webmasters to redo every website they made and make in the future.

OR

- simple webmasters (like me, i'm still learning a lot) have no idea hów to implement such script(s) which also leads to more costs because they have to hire someone to do it.

.. it's an utter ridiculous law and everyone involved in the website- and design business are stressing out to get things done.

The webmaster of www.fok.nl (a dutch news-site) has posted a wicked review of this so called 'security for all means'-law. It's in Dutch, but if you hit the translate button in chrome (if you use it), you will get the idea of what's so ridiculous between dutch coverage of this law and the rest of the european union. Featured is an English movie embedded from youtube about this act:

- Dutch Cookie-Law



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Re: Cookie Warning (new European law) insertion. How ?
  • 2012/7/18 10:02

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@Peekay:

I'm sure it's not a scam, I just got off the phone with those complete idiots.
Before I told them the reason of my call, I asked what websites need to implement this cookie-law pop-up. They told me: Websites like news-sites, very large community websites, social media sites etc.

So I told them I have a small community website for a gaming clan, without any advertising and without any trackingcookies. I told them it's a private website with private things on it and that it's just for fun. The woman on the other end of the line specifically told me that I do not have to worry about the law, it's not meant for me.

Then I told her about the letter, stating that I need to pay 1900€ if this crap isn't solved in a couple of days and that fellow clanwebsites in NL from which I know several clanleaders in person, have received the same letter. She hung up.

So I called again, got this guy on the phone and stated he wanted to review my website whíle I was on the phone. So I told him the address, he looked at it and had to tell me that the letter was sent in error, but due to some error in their cookie-scanning application, my website (and thus those other clansites) was categorized as a large media website, júst because I have a login system for clanmembers.

In this case, I got a fax immediately on my request (old fashion i know, but it's still used largely spread) with proof that I have contacted the office and solved this utter bummer.

--

Now, as for the scam thing .. my professional title is Cyber Security Consultant, I don't typically fall for scams, although this letter was sent by airmail I still don't fall for it ;)


@Shine

Thát's exactly what I meant.

During the call and solving the issue about our clanwebsite, I talked to the guy according my company website. Because it's a company website, I dó have to implement the cookie-warning. So despite it's not needed for the clanwebsite, I still have to get the company site (based on xoops) ready for the cookie-law.

So this thread is not solved .. yet ;)

Anyways, thnx for any help so far !!



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Re: Cookie Warning (new European law) insertion. How ?
  • 2012/7/18 1:56

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I've been doing some research and more people running clan-websites who I know personally, have the same issue. They all got a letter regarding the cookie-law (talking about roughly 37 clansites in NL). So, I will send a letter to the foundation handling this stupidness, in the name of our own but also the other clanwebsites, about the crazy and threatening letter we all received.

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btw flipse, the nlxoops.nl website loads extremely slow here, while i'm on a 100mbit fiberglass connection. any idea ?



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Re: Cookie Warning (new European law) insertion. How ?
  • 2012/7/17 21:41

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Quote:

Mamba wrote:
I assume, that there should be a common implementation of the law across Europe.

There are good guidelines from UK, which states that:

Quote:
Implied consent is a valid form of consent and can be used in the context of compliance with the revised rules on cookies.

BBC is using this kind of "implied consent" where they post a special link to "cookies" at the bottom of the page.

They also state that:
Quote:
Some cookies can be exempted from informed consent under certain conditions if they are not used for additional purposes. These cookies include cookies used to keep track of a user’s input when filling online forms or as a shopping card, also known as session-id cookies, multimedia player session cookies and user interface customisation cookies, eg language preference cookies to remember the language selected by the user.

I think, our cookies would fall into the "session-id" cookie.

There are also few good articles, with links to jQuery plugins that could be helpful:

http://designmodo.com/eu-cookie-law/
http://www.webresourcesdepot.com/eu-c ... -plugins-to-not-break-it/
http://www.netmagazine.com/features/beginners-guide-new-cookie-law

The CookieCutter and CookieGuard plugins seem to be most popular.

So based on all of this you could:

1) set a special page about cookies, as BBC did, to have "implicit consent", or
2) add a jQuery plugin to get "explicit consent"

Maybe somebody else has a better suggestion


Dutch law is like the most strict law regarding cookies in Europe.

__________________________________________________________________

Quote:

flipse wrote:
From what I have read the Dutch government interprets the law more strict then the European law has in mind, but...

Cookies from (nonprofit) websites, or for keeping login credentials or remembering your shopping cart are not an issue. The law is focussed on third party cookies from advertising networks or companies collecting user data on a larger scale, like google analytics.

The OPTA, the Dutch supervisor, has stated they only direct penalty real abusive cookie use. Other websites get a warning first. Most reassuring fact is OPTA has no scanning software for cookie law offense at this moment. They have asked a student to code some, just a few days ago


Actually, they already have, but it's kind of malfuntioning.

As for the non-profit ones. Our clan community website is as non-profit as it can get, but still I got this letter here in front of me.

I do admire your replies, but all I want is something to solve this cr*p.
I don't really want to pay a fine because of the cookie stuff. There's no advertising on our website, other than a teamspeak server banner (which is stated as a form of advertising).

I just lost it. Don't know what to do. Called my company lawyer (every company in NL has one to look over law stuff and more) about this issue. He basically told me to aspire the request and take actions into it. As Flipse probably know (as a fellow dutchmen), there isn't any change in winning from the government over this.



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Cookie Warning (new European law) insertion. How ?
  • 2012/7/17 18:55

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Hello,

Since June 12th the European Union issued a new law meaning that évery site-OP needs to warn their visitors about the usage of cookies on their website(s).

Although our clanwebsite is non-profit only, I received a letter from the government handling this law, that I need to issue a cookie-warning according the strict Dutch law about this, when people visit our website.

I've been looking into it a bit, but I have no idea how to do this with XOOPS.
Since I'm working behind the scenes on a new company website for my datarecovery company, based on xoops, I don't want to run into problems with that one either.

The official governmental letter stated that I have, from today (got it this morning), 5 working days to implement it, or I will receive a 1900 euro expensive penalty and an additional 430 euro penalty every day it's not implemented.

Basically, I'm screwed. If I don't come up with a way to implement it, I am forced to pay a LOT of (CRAZY) money or to shut down the website.

I thought of just adding a warning to the frontpage, but Dutch Law persists that you need a POP-UP warning which people can agree to or deny (in which the last option will guide them back to the last page they visited).

Can anybody please help me ?
I've spent 20-30 hours building the new company website and rougly 10 hours on our clan-site. I basically sat down and almost started to cry. Dutch law is very funny when it comes to downloading music, movies and applications, but it is UTTER CRAP when it comes to these kind of banal things.

So eh .. HELP ?
Thanks in advance !!

I don't want to change everything to PHPNUKE or vBadvanced, since I love the basics XOOPS is based on. Very nice and easy to work with. A dream for semi-professional webdesigners !

Cheers,
Jax



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Re: How to edit links below the header-logo ?? (cant find the solution)
  • 2012/6/19 14:00

  • RamteamJax

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cool :)

So eh .. one more question.
Is there a way to 'clone' the index page and make a second page (where I can show blocks with our server status information (for several servers we own and manage) ?

Like .. on the frontpage it's the welcome message, announcements and the usual side/center/bottom blocks ..




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Re: How to edit links below the header-logo ?? (cant find the solution)
  • 2012/6/17 17:09

  • RamteamJax

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I feel stupid now.
I remember I changed the Navigation block some times and in order to set it, I had to hit a button in the admin area called Refresh.

I seem to have forgotten where it's located.

Can someone help :P ? Thanks.

skype: youriheijminkliesert
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Re: How to edit links below the header-logo ?? (cant find the solution)
  • 2012/6/17 16:47

  • RamteamJax

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@mamba, that did the trick

Thanks a lot mate :)

I like xoops so much more than Joomla or Magento.
Wonder why there's so few people using it.

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@butalicuss

Yah i know ;)
I like it a lot :)

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Any idea how to remove the footer copyright ? I want to replace it (in a block on the bottom left), not completely remove it.




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