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kc0maz
Re: Progress Report [proposed] Community Coordination Team 1 July 2007
  • 2007/7/3 13:07

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Quote:

gtop00 wrote:
I am sorry but it seems that there is a mistake here.

The “[proposed] Community Coordination Team” seems to be leaded by almost newcomers (except JAVesey) while its members/moderators are very old and experienced xoopers – see below # of posts:

Quote:
[proposed] Community Coordination status report as of 1 July 2007.

Team rooster

KC0MAZ (Team Leader) – 73
JAVesey - 525
Sailjapan - 142

current moderators invitation status:

JMorris – declined / stepped down - 2526
irmtfan – declined - 2257
akitson – No Response - 387
davidl2 – declined - 5028
vaughan ( M0nty) – pending – 450 + 3377
Jensclas – stepped down - 2135

Additional invitations have been sent

Team rooster still open…


It is obvious why people are declining;



I really did not want to answer this here. however,

1. The report is what it is. A status of the team as of 1 July 2007. No more, no less.

2. I did not ask for this position. D.J. sent out a request for help, I answered, via e-mail and in the thread.
The community coordinators thread sat dormant for some time, while other teams were getting their act together, we sat around waiting for something to happen, while other possible leaders were stepping down or taking other roles. I took upon myself to get what few people we did have together and start moving. D.J. Himself recommended me as the leader. I was dully elected by my peers.

3. With respect to my leadership ability. I have 20+ years of leadership experience both military and business. I may be a newcomer to the XOOPS Community, however that does not make me any less of a leader.

4. The discussion about who is going to be the leader is over. If you had a comment about who you wanted as the leader, you should have said something then. Now we are moving forward. We are in the process of getting our tools in place so we can take care of the most important people to Xoops, the end-user.
Some dream of success, while others wake up and work for it.
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kc0maz
Re: Terms of use and XOOPSiquette review
  • 2007/7/3 3:12

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Quote:

Peekay wrote:
The language in the forum that will put people of XOOPS is not profanity. It is seing topic titles like 'Xoops admin hacked', 'Xoops is vulnerable', 'Xoops is dangerous', 'Xoops is a security threat'.

If someone wanted to systematically damage the reputation of Xoops, starting threads with titles like this is the way to do it.


This is true, on several different levels.

If there is a 'real' security threat to XOOPS based web sites, we need to get it in front of the developers, pronto.

Like the little boy who cried "wolf" how many false security threat will it take, before they start to ignore them. All it takes is just one hole....

I am working on a system or process that would get them off the front page, authenticated, then either to the developers or else where.
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kc0maz
Re: Terms of use and XOOPSiquette review
  • 2007/7/2 21:51

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Quote:

BlueStocking wrote:
Use the filter and forget about the rest. We are adults, not two year olds. What is appropiate context to me may not be to you. I want to know what people think, not just what they are allowed to think.

No judgement calls, just rules that apply across the board.


then...Moderators will remove any work arounds for the seven forbidden words...


most of us are adults, children may happen by this website as well.

second, some language may not be appropriate for a business environment. Can you picture the poor schmuck trying to sell his boss on the benefits of Xoops, opening the support site only to find foul language. it could be just one word. It doesn't matter how good the support is,or how great of a CMS that XOOPS is, that one word, doesn't matter what it is, will stick out like a sore thumb. XOOPS lost. Been there, not fun.
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kc0maz
Re: Terms of use and XOOPSiquette review
  • 2007/7/2 21:10

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I only used the opening statement as a catalyst, to get the discussion going.

Quote:

davidl2 wrote:
Agreed - I feel it depends on the context a word is used.


I have to agree. So for the purpose of the code of conduct; can we say we will not allow the FCC's seven forbidden words for broadcast, plus any other words depending on the context they are used?
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kc0maz
Re: Terms of use and XOOPSiquette review
  • 2007/7/2 21:04

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Quote:

Peekay wrote:
Sorry for my ignorance kcOmaz, but exactly who are you and what position of authority do you hold here?


I have none. However I wanted to make it clear, the moderators will watch this thread, closely and take what ever action they need to keep the peace here. I want an open discussion, not an open flame war. So far so good.
Some dream of success, while others wake up and work for it.
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kc0maz
Re: European-travel.eu
  • 2007/7/2 20:41

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looks like you are off to a good start.

Now for the Business side of me.

Who are you trying to reach, demographically?
What service or niche are you going to provide, that is not already out there?

I have been to Europe, as a tourist, and on business.
Some dream of success, while others wake up and work for it.
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kc0maz
Re: Community Coordination Team
  • 2007/7/2 19:55

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I am moving to this thread it more appropriate for the time being.

Quote:

web-M wrote:
Well maybe the best way to moderate a site like XOOPS.org is indeed an autonomous and independant moderation team.
Such a team can moderate without the influence of any team or group.
They only have to look over that the etiquettes of XOOPS.org are respected in the fora and comments.

I also can imagine that this job is enough for people to manage.


Ideally this is how it would work. the moderators would continue doing what they are doing, as that can be a full time job..

The coordinators would be grabbing these issues that just seem not to get fixed and get them to the people who can fix them. The coordinators will kill spam, temper hot debates,etc. in the course of their job, to assist the moderators. The coordinator will be following the same rule for moderating as the moderators do.

In return, if a moderator comes across an issue that is, just not getting fixed, and wants to take ownership of it, we encourage them to do so, we are not going to stand in the way. Just follow the process that has been laid out.

There is this little thing out there called mutual aid. If for some reason the moderators get a sudden jump in the work load, they can come to the coordinators and ask for some help. Coordinators will already have the proper access, and know the rules. It also works the other way where the coordinators can ask the moderators for help if things start getting out of hand. Normally such help would be for a short time, a week or two, not months or years on end.

The moderators don't have a leader, they said they don't need one. As part of the coordination team. I would be their leader, It would be my job to defend their actions to the community and to the administration. As their leader, I am responsible for their actions.

I agree the jobs of moderating and coordination are two different jobs, we work with the same people, the user or customers, and we the same end in mind. To take care of the XOOPS customers, quickly, so they will continue to use Xoops.
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kc0maz
Re: Xoops Core Discussion and Roadmap
  • 2007/7/2 19:11

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I thought this is hammered out.

The Community Coordinators will be going through the forums looking for issues that are not being fixed by the community. The Coordinators will then take ownership of that issue, and move the thread to XOOPS Bug Report or similar forum, The coordinators will then work with the customer to collect all the required information:

XOOPS Version:
Module Name/Version:
PHP Version:
MySQL Version:
Web Server Software (Apache/IIS/Other):
Operating System:
Theme you are using:
Custom template: (Yes/No)
Debug info. When posting any debug messages please 'wrap' the message like this:

Debug message here


A full description of the issue, please indicate how the issue can be reproduced:

Once all this information has been collected, it will be posted to the bug tracker on SF.net

The developer working on the bug should post weekly if not daily updates to SF.net The Coordinator will repost the updates on the thread with the issue.

Once the issue has been resolved, The developer will post it to SF.net. The coordinator will take resolution and deploy it per the developer's instructions and confirm the issue has been resolved. Once the issue has been resolved. the thread will be locked by the coordinator that opened it.
The issue and the resolution will be submitted to Xi tracker form for documentation. Once the issue/resolution has been documented, the thread will be deleted.

This was the process agree upon, thus, it is the one that is gong to be documented.

KC0MAZ
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kc0maz
Re: Terms of use and XOOPSiquette review
  • 2007/7/2 18:09

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Quote:

skenow wrote:
I do realize the etiquette being discussed for change is the one here at XOOPS. Part of this discussion, though, included another code of conduct as an example. Many good ideas do come from other places.


Along those same lines. Any site that is gong to be an 'official' XOOPS site be it a sub-domain, or another url all together should have similar standards.

I dislike it when I can do this on this site, but not on this one. Both site do the same thing.
Some dream of success, while others wake up and work for it.
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kc0maz
Re: Community Coordination Team
  • 2007/7/2 16:53

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Quote:

mboyden wrote:

The team's first priority is to get a bug-fix/security-release out for both branches. Then to look at the 2.0.x/2.2.x merge issues and setup a plan for that forward movement.
>snip<

And my other focus is on providing code!


Finally, someone gets it! We want you to have the time to provide code and fix the bugs. We do not want you wasting time trying to find out what server software they are running or php version they have. Let us get that information and present all information to you in one nice neat little package.

Once you get it, then we the coordinators and the community want it fixed, correctly and quickly.

Two weeks without a bug fix, and the user or customer has gone somewhere else.
Some dream of success, while others wake up and work for it.
--unknown




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