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draj
Re: dev.xoops.org seems to be down
  • 2007/7/10 19:17

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post deleted due to double posting...



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draj
Re: dev.xoops.org seems to be down
  • 2007/7/10 19:15

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Hi,
Quote:

kc0maz wrote:
The Terms of Use also allow for the database to be saved and made available elsewhere.

No one here has ever agreed to terms in that XOOPS Foundation of Xoops.org is allowed to distribute details to non-official sites.

Everyone here is welcome to reregister themselves anywhere they want, including to all of the known community sites for XOOPS support and that includes communication and module development teams, etc.

The registration of XOOPS members is only for XOOPS Project and that is stricktly abiding the laws of all country according to data protection act and international laws.

There is no reference of redistributing user privacy like emails, etc to others including to non-official support activities.

In this regards, I onject my own details to any other websites other than official website where I have registered and i.e. Xoops.org here.

Sorry even if this is an off topic but when it comes about user privacy, there should be no compromise done by anyone on earth, regardless of any laws or terms of services...



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draj
Re: dev.xoops.org seems to be down
  • 2007/7/10 16:13

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Hi Dave,
Quote:

davidl2 wrote:
Davidl2 - is not

Uh, LOL!!!

Very correct and accurate about Data protection, which would not just be UK related...



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draj
Re: Call for a community action on Xoops Project Council
  • 2007/7/5 19:35

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Quote:

gtop00 wrote:
Well, since your reply this time is calmer, I will reply too:

It is because I found your reply foundationless and was without content. So I did wanted to save my time.

Now that you showed something which has a foundation, I will also reply!
Quote:

I do not have any objection on phppp’s mentioned post. He is actually doing what he was asked to and voluntarily offered: To organize the XOOPS project.

No one asked him to be a silly dictator! He began to acti in true spirits but later decided to show his fooloshness, without realising that there are some other guardians of open spirit in here.

A contribution may not only be in coding but also in safe garding the interest of open spirit.

He is a failure. He can make good coding but fails at most levels of leadership because he adds his own childish feelings thereby affecting in consequence. It was not too difficult to understand this aspect of his character.

Look at my participation of posts in the past. Mind you, I would not open my mouth until there is a solid foundation or reason.

Also this is not just a onetime matter between one person leaving.
Quote:

If you, me or anybody else do not fully agree, we all can make our proposals, in a Democratic and constructive way.

You even made a proposal. Did you receive an appraisal from him. Your suggestion was actually a good begining. What was an outcome of it?

The past history shows that the constructive and democratic attempt has failed to work with DJ. He is arrogantly carrying forward his tactics without realising his discreditation.

No intellegent man who beleives in dignity would continue with such complains before the face, especially the arresting proofs in this post by myself.

So please review the posts and the experiences of people here and give a rethink on what you are saying. It makes no sense to make my objection work more, as it only adds to some extra justification by myside, which could be avoided on interospection or meditation.

However, I can understand and tolerate some others expressing some kind of a positive or protective feelings for DJ keeping in mind to somehow bring the discussion to and end. Also, if those comments emerged from a superficial or a shallow level, then I have no problems to read them.



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draj
Re: Call for a community action on Xoops Project Council
  • 2007/7/5 16:59

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Hi gtop00,

Thieves continue to be robbing until lights are turned on.

DJ is shameless and will not answer. If he does, it will be like a lolipop joke to make some people calm down.

So it is high time even for intelligent people like you to reconsider what you wrote below.

He is adamont about his illigitimate council as seen below:

https://xoops.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=59748&forum=47&post_id=266628#forumpost266628

Sensible people would have reacted a long time ago. He an all his friends are watching this and other messages every day i.e. many times in a day.

Quote:

gtop00 wrote:
I really did not want to be involved more in this 'war' but I think that some things have to be resolved.



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draj
Re: Call for a community action on Xoops Project Council
  • 2007/7/5 7:58

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Hi,

It has been truely difficult for me to understand what intellectual reason had DJ to lay those Membership rules of dominance, much worse his successfully won support by his supporters.

Quote:

Shine wrote:
No offence, but I think it is time that DJ/Phppp steps into this discussion and provide some public answers/explanation(s), before this discussion can go (if needed) any further.


He already answered!!! He already has put forward a superficial but official defence in the past, which is as follows:

Quote:

DJ wrote
Hi draj,
First, the module development team is considered as a community driven team, please check the article: https://xoops.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3820

So the XOOPS Project Team as well as XOOPS Project Council is to be considered as core Programmers driven or dominated!

Even if I follow this logic, I cannot still swallow, why on earth the Main programmer should have any right to reject any community member in the Project Council!

The fact is that he actually did!!!

Quote:

Second, the module development team has never been announced officially yet and all rights assigned to the team leader candidate were temporary.

Yes, the rights assigned to Tom and Akitson were temporary and were revoked according to the moods, will and wishes of DJ, as reported.

Yes, it is true that he did not announce it as an official team. This announcement is to be based on his moods, will and wishes.

So all the council members requires an explaination as to why only four teams were announced to take its formal position and why were the other two teams blocked from taking any official status, activity or work?

So all the work Tom did was put by a click into garbage! Why should others work here then?

The other four council members also have to offer an explaination of DJ's original and official announcement of a XOOPS Project Council comprising of all the respective Team Leaders and why they themselves, except StudioC, wantered to enter the Council with full knowledge that there were teams already formed and Leaders were chosen!

This was a concious act and not a dream!

Quote:

Third, as stated in the article, new team can be created or tuned in the future in case necessary. If you think the module development team is more of a Project team than of a community driven team, please make your proposals.

Why does DJ want a new Module Team and a new Communication Team? I do not understand.

I have nothing to propose, my friends. The proposal came from DJ himself.



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draj
Re: Call for a community action on Xoops Project Council
  • 2007/7/5 6:55

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Hi Marco,
Quote:

Marco wrote:
will you stop wasting your time with titles and honoric positions?


So do you think that I am wasting my time to object against the tactics of DJ? If I did not object and bring things to its required clarity, which perhaphs DJ did not expect, what would have happened? How many people have left XOOPS or did not like DJ's to work with him?

So to make it very clear: There is no play or a game of titles or positions but a very clear signal that such methods must stop and there needs a change.

And marco, if you do not support the objection by myself, then you are supporting DJ's position and also thereby supporting indirectly the manner in which he blocked Akitson and Tom. Is that what you intend to?

Quote:

please add tom if he's willing to help somewhere in the organization. it's not time to loose volonteers if they are skilled for the work they want to work on.
the XOOPS community is asking for move, not titles.
MOVE !
marco


You are wrong, if I may respectfully add!

Tom was invited by himself i.e. DJ in the temporary council. What happened? Was he able to function in the manner as an appointed temporary member? According to DJ Rules of Membership, he appointed tom. But he could not do anything.

The same happens with other council members, who are now in the council. They will never have their say so long DJ has a full dictatorship and command over them. History will repeat like it did with tom.

DJ appointed, through his play of invitees council, other members in the council and declared in the same manner like he did for tom. DJ appointed Tom into the council but he could not do anything in there.

Further, does Tom have any realistic chance to be in the council, as a community member, to work with DJ, if he was not allowed to work in the past?

If Tom is nominated in the Council by the community or applies for it, will DJ accept his application? I refuse to beleive tht Tom has the slightest interest, although I do not know, in aquiring any position or title.

Why should DJ have powers to refuse XOOPS community services offered by Tom?

Why should DJ have powers to refuse XOOPS community services offered by Akitson?

Why should DJ have the sole autorisation of refusing the official recognistion of rejecting a well founded and composed Module Development Team?

Why should DJ have the capacity to reject the official status of Communication Team?

Why should the other four team members have the right to neglect the existance of both the above mentioned teams?

Why should the XOOPS community be thrown in the hands of a one-man-show at all times?

Needless to mention here, that it was a high time for a change and it is already too late.



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draj
Re: Call for a community action on Xoops Project Council
  • 2007/7/4 15:50

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Hi,
Quote:

alitan wrote:
Take this type of leadership Bull #OOPS# away please. I think we need to take Chill pills, calm down and forget about all these "I am the leader", "I am the member", "I am the Moderator", "I am the Council", "I am the head of the rebelion" stuff now.
{{<>}}


Everyone have choices in life and make decisions. DJ made his decisions.

You as a responsible community member have a choice to either support DJ for his nonsense and ridiculous actions or clap on the situation he has imposed on Tom and others.

It was my choice to not to gulp such a ridicolous behaviour by DJ and also it was my right to excercise the Freedom of Expression, ofcourse within limits. I have no friendship with tom or others and am in no way representating anyone of them.

Further, no one here fights for a title!

So you choose your way....



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draj
Re: Call for a community action on Xoops Project Council
  • 2007/7/4 15:44

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Hi,
Quote:

BlueStocking wrote:
They are community projects and should be supported as such. When I go to xoops.org I should be able to easily get information on the project, its goals, its purpose, and its documentation on what the core provides.

This is the working model that James was pushing for, I believe he got it.


If James was propogating the death of a Module Development Team, that would have been a blunder!

To seperate sites, if he wanted it that way, does not mean that he preached the seperation of core and the modules. They areboth dependent of each other. Core depends on the modules for the core to make the meaning and nodules depend on the core for it to be connected on a central system.

Hence it works like a system of an independent Man and Woman concept of "Yin and Yang". One needs both at the same time they have to work in Harmony with each other.

Core offers functions and classes not just for the core to function on its own independently but for the use of them with the modules. At the same time the modules are based on a water tight plattform of core, thereby being solely dependent on the coding standards, etc of the core.

Today, we see that there are hundreds of modules redundant. They do not function. It seems to me a real race between the core and the modules, where the core wins because it had a leader or functions under a structure.

This leads to a vacume of structure for the module developers. If the module developers are given proper plattform to function, then remain, get encouraged and continue the development, or atleast there is a new plattform to make thing s function better.

So I reject the idea of seperating the core and the modules. They need to be understood and developed in attention of each other and not just in issolation. At the sametime, none of the aspects of the core or module must dictate the rules.

The entire system of XOOPS is a kind of independence of its own kind at the same time the beauty of the concept it how they are interdependent with each other. Due to this extremes of the idea, the entire cocept looks so beautifuul and charming, especially based on an object oriented model.

So, please allow me to differ to your opinion.



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draj
Re: Call for a community action on Xoops Project Council
  • 2007/7/4 14:55

  • draj

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Hi BS,
Quote:

BlueStocking wrote:
Xoops doesn't ship with a module, so what need is there for a team?

Xoops may not be shipped with modules but also does not function without modules. Without modules, XOOPS does not have a face or function other then a basic kind of apache page.

So I would reconsider and rethink on this matter from your side!




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