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alitan
Re: Call for a community action on Xoops Project Council
  • 2007/7/4 15:39

  • alitan

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GOD,
Take this type of leadership Bull #OOPS# away please. I think we need to take Chill pills, calm down and forget about all these "I am the leader", "I am the member", "I am the Moderator", "I am the Council", "I am the head of the rebelion" stuff now.
This is getting stupid and pointless, just as I said, have someone to be the webmaster, and others who want to join, join, people who want to contribute contribute and others who want to leave, leave. DONE, END OF STORY!
{{<>}}
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draj
Re: Call for a community action on Xoops Project Council
  • 2007/7/4 15:44

  • draj

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Hi,
Quote:

BlueStocking wrote:
They are community projects and should be supported as such. When I go to xoops.org I should be able to easily get information on the project, its goals, its purpose, and its documentation on what the core provides.

This is the working model that James was pushing for, I believe he got it.


If James was propogating the death of a Module Development Team, that would have been a blunder!

To seperate sites, if he wanted it that way, does not mean that he preached the seperation of core and the modules. They areboth dependent of each other. Core depends on the modules for the core to make the meaning and nodules depend on the core for it to be connected on a central system.

Hence it works like a system of an independent Man and Woman concept of "Yin and Yang". One needs both at the same time they have to work in Harmony with each other.

Core offers functions and classes not just for the core to function on its own independently but for the use of them with the modules. At the same time the modules are based on a water tight plattform of core, thereby being solely dependent on the coding standards, etc of the core.

Today, we see that there are hundreds of modules redundant. They do not function. It seems to me a real race between the core and the modules, where the core wins because it had a leader or functions under a structure.

This leads to a vacume of structure for the module developers. If the module developers are given proper plattform to function, then remain, get encouraged and continue the development, or atleast there is a new plattform to make thing s function better.

So I reject the idea of seperating the core and the modules. They need to be understood and developed in attention of each other and not just in issolation. At the sametime, none of the aspects of the core or module must dictate the rules.

The entire system of XOOPS is a kind of independence of its own kind at the same time the beauty of the concept it how they are interdependent with each other. Due to this extremes of the idea, the entire cocept looks so beautifuul and charming, especially based on an object oriented model.

So, please allow me to differ to your opinion.

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gtop00
Re: Call for a community action on Xoops Project Council
  • 2007/7/4 15:45

  • gtop00

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GOD,
Take this type of leadership Bull #OOPS# away please. I think we need to take Chill pills, calm down and forget about all these "I am the leader", "I am the member", "I am the Moderator", "I am the Council", "I am the head of the rebelion" stuff now.
This is getting stupid and pointless, just as I said, have someone to be the webmaster, and others who want to join, join, people who want to contribute contribute and others who want to leave, leave. DONE, END OF STORY!
{{<>}}




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draj
Re: Call for a community action on Xoops Project Council
  • 2007/7/4 15:50

  • draj

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Hi,
Quote:

alitan wrote:
Take this type of leadership Bull #OOPS# away please. I think we need to take Chill pills, calm down and forget about all these "I am the leader", "I am the member", "I am the Moderator", "I am the Council", "I am the head of the rebelion" stuff now.
{{<>}}


Everyone have choices in life and make decisions. DJ made his decisions.

You as a responsible community member have a choice to either support DJ for his nonsense and ridiculous actions or clap on the situation he has imposed on Tom and others.

It was my choice to not to gulp such a ridicolous behaviour by DJ and also it was my right to excercise the Freedom of Expression, ofcourse within limits. I have no friendship with tom or others and am in no way representating anyone of them.

Further, no one here fights for a title!

So you choose your way....

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alitan
Re: Call for a community action on Xoops Project Council
  • 2007/7/4 15:55

  • alitan

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GOD, this is just a project!
Who cares who leads it? I mean comeon, you or phppp, to me are no different
instead of these type of talks please focus and ahve some improvement.
I understand that there might be difficult situations, but come on, I think we should forget about all these leader/manager stuff.
Just have some people to organazie the website, and those who wish to join, they can. NO leadership needed.
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tom
Re: Call for a community action on Xoops Project Council
  • 2007/7/4 15:56

  • tom

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Quote:
GOD,
Take this type of leadership Bull #OOPS# away please. I think we need to take Chill pills, calm down and forget about all these "I am the leader", "I am the member", "I am the Moderator", "I am the Council", "I am the head of the rebelion" stuff now.
This is getting stupid and pointless, just as I said, have someone to be the webmaster, and others who want to join, join, people who want to contribute contribute and others who want to leave, leave. DONE, END OF STORY!
{{<>}}


Good to see you don't want people to think or have an opinion, close mindedness is more of what we need.

If you don't like the rule of your general, then off with your head.

Is this not the 'If you don't like it P**s off' attitude, don't you think XOOPS has had enough of that, I really did have hope this was a time of change.

People don't like the way they have been treated and are sharing concerns with a hope to getting answers.

I was gonna hold out for some official reply, but I see your need to create another XOOPS flame war, good on you it's your right to do so.

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alitan
Re: Call for a community action on Xoops Project Council
  • 2007/7/4 16:05

  • alitan

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No, I want to end this war now. NO need to create another.
What I say, is that we don't need leaders.
We've had them , it's not going to work, not for an opensource project. I mean, a leader is efficient when people obey him/her. But when it is an opensource/ not commerical project, when a member has no obligations over what the leader says, what can a leader do? tell me! I bet you can't, because there are none options.
I have said this already, there is no need to have a leader, perhaps an organizer, that's it, whoever wishes to contribute contributes, other's they simply don't.
Remember, XOOPS is not an organization, if it was we wouldn't have this type of problems. There were some attempts, but again, it doesn't work. Honestly, would you rather work yourself or have a person above you commanding, and making you work for nothing? If you choose to help out in Xoops.org it is your choice, not that of the leaders. They simply are physically and financially independant from you, they have NO CONTROL over you. THEY ARE NOT YOU BOSS, so if they ahve no function over other people, what is the point of they being leaders? I'm sure it's better have someone to help in organization, but not to lead or to boss around. Remember, XOOPS is not like military.
We better off not have a leader than have one. But we need and organizer!
My Persian Xoops Project:
http://www.MPXP.org

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incama
Re: Call for a community action on Xoops Project Council
  • 2007/7/4 16:15

  • incama

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Quote:
What I say, is that we don't need leaders.
We've had them , it's not going to work, not for an opensource project. I mean, a leader is efficient when people obey him/her. But when it is an opensource/ not commerical project, when a member has no obligations over what the leader says, what can a leader do? tell me! I bet you can't, because there are none options.


Not true, infact, the opposite is true. Have a look at the linux kernel, typo3, mplayer etc etc etc. All in hands of strong leaders with a vision and all Open Source.
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alitan
Re: Call for a community action on Xoops Project Council
  • 2007/7/4 16:19

  • alitan

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When there is flame wars instead of production, what is a point of a leader. again a leader is efficient when other people obey him. IF there is need to ahve leaders, then we need to install a voting system and vote. and of couse obey the will of the majority.
how about we do that instead of these talks?
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http://www.MPXP.org

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tom
Re: Call for a community action on Xoops Project Council
  • 2007/7/4 16:27

  • tom

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  • Since: 2002/9/21


Quote:
No, I want to end this war now. NO need to create another.
What I say, is that we don't need leaders.
We've had them , it's not going to work, not for an opensource project. I mean, a leader is efficient when people obey him/her. But when it is an opensource/ not commerical project, when a member has no obligations over what the leader says, what can a leader do? tell me! I bet you can't, because there are none options.


I too want this to end, I think what I'm saying is probably getting mixed up here or misunderstood.

I'm not running after any title, I'm not trying to overthrow anyone, I'm not even complaining about who's running the project.

I'm complaining because I was asked to do various tasks, then ignored, brushed off, and cast into the darkness, I was working rather happily with my tasks.

But then I log in and find I'd been totally removed without any notification, not even a pm to say, 'Tom we no longer require your services any longer', and I feel this was because I questioned certain things, and not in a negative way either.

Yes there are other options, seek a compromise, there may not be any obligations, but there certainly is willingness.

I'm not saying we need leaders either, I'm simply questioning how I was ignored and brushed off for no apparent reason, other than I raised questions.

Quote:
Honestly, would you rather work yourself or have a person above you commanding, and making you work for nothing? If you choose to help out in Xoops.org it is your choice, not that of the leaders. They simply are physically and financially independant from you, they have NO CONTROL over you. THEY ARE NOT YOU BOSS, so if they ahve no function over other people, what is the point of they being leaders? I'm sure it's better have someone to help in organization, but not to lead or to boss around. Remember, XOOPS is not like military.
We better off not have a leader than have one. But we need and organizer!


The communication team was set up with two leaders, not commanders, the leaders make requests, those willing step-forward and work commences, we were the first team since the re-birth to make progress with a physical outcome.

I'm not saying it's the choice of the leaders, when did I say that, please read my comments in the news article and you will see what has upset me.

I simply don't agree with how I was ignored, brushed off then cast aside, I was asked to do a job, then not allowed to do it.

There are a few other issues of course, but this is my real issue here, as I've gone over and over.

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