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Re: XOOPS Project Council - Current situation
by draj on 2007/7/4 12:42:31

Hi Akitson,
Quote:

akitson wrote:
D.J. is playing games here. Either the Mod Dev team is in existence or it isn't. Either the Council functions or it doesn't (or functioned 'cus now D.. has announced its demise of course.)
....
It appears that despite popular opinion to the reverse, and despite having a team of people ready to go, D.J. doesn't want this team to function.

After someone asked myself to prove my observations, I was going through the behaviour and analysing it.

I am just a bit surprised as to why did you keep your mouth shut for a very long time.

To me, DJ started showing his ridiculous behaviour a very long time ago and this was even evident and was just not playing in the last weeks when you reported above.

It is therefore, I have started a new thread in this regards. Thanks for reporting your view points and sorry that you have to undergo troubles with him.

Thread: Call for a community action
Re: XOOPS Project Council - Current situation
by chippyash on 2007/6/27 5:28:09

sailjapan


The following is a PM from phppp to me
Quote:

Hi Ashley,

Before the team is officially announced by Project Council, please use the "XOOPS Project team forum (temporary)". If you need a dedicated forum, I can open a temporary one under that forum board.


D.J.
Quote:


akitson wrote:
D.J.

I PM'd John Seymour asking him to set up a private team forum for Mod Dev. Was he the right one to ask? If not who is?

Thanks
Ashley


Officially announced !?!?

Quote:
XOOPS Module Development Team: Team leader and member candidates are available, as well as relevant discussions and proposals
See here for context

See also HERE for announcement of the Mod Dev team including the quote
Quote:
great job akitson
from phppp.

D.J. is playing games here. Either the Mod Dev team is in existence or it isn't. Either the Council functions or it doesn't (or functioned 'cus now D.. has announced its demise of course.)

I can also tell you that my admin access to dev.xoops.org granted by D.J. so that I could begin reviewing facilities there appears to have been revoked. Who by and on what authority I do not know. I'm *still* waiting to get access to addons.xoops.org despite multiple requests.

It appears that despite popular opinion to the reverse, and despite having a team of people ready to go, D.J. doesn't want this team to function.

salijapan said
Quote:
I'll be charitable here, and assume that you are not used to speaking with people who's first language is not English. I sincerely believe though, that you've got ahold of the wrong end of the stick.


I live in England, more specifically the Midlands. Of course I'm used to communicating with people for whom English is not their first language. Nothing D.J. has said in public or in PM's leads me to believe that my slant on things is incorrect.

I'll follow up on these things in the proper thread (Module Development Team), but I though it was worth sharing in light of the naivity being shown in this thread.
Re: XOOPS Project Council - Current situation
by irmtfan on 2007/6/27 2:21:59

Quote:

No changes since 10-6. Nobody needs comments about this: it is very clear.

"Assist" means "To give support to in some undertaking or effort, or in time of distress; to help; to aid; to succor". I do not read "to vote".

XOOPS Project Council - Current situation: not to be

the only assistance i can imagine for a member of council is make decisions and this job is voting required.(Yes after long conversations but finally it need a vote from every Council member because you have 3 person at the stage with different Opinions)
so sorry but still it needs to be clarified.
what were Tom and JMorris assistants other than decisions?
(i dont like to read and write long posts so i stop at this point.also btw it is and was obvious)
Re: XOOPS Project Council - Current situation
by MadFish on 2007/6/27 1:31:33

Quote:
In the past XOOPS has been suffered too much from its lack of communication and non-transparent management, just like the unknown "management structure" mentioned above.

It's time for us to move forward and to build XOOPS an open-source project upon open communication, open management and open development.


It's great that these issues have finally been recognised at the top, after *years* of frustration (really, its been *years*). I look forward to a new open approach of doing business!

Thank you.
Re: XOOPS Project Council - Current situation
by debianus on 2007/6/26 22:49:33

phppp has said what he has said and it does not need to be clarified; if something needs to be clarified by the proposal of akitson it would to be done for phppp.

akitson already made another proposal on 21-6. No answer.

Facts:

Quote:
10-6, phppp wrote: Now, before the Council is established officially, as the Project Leader, I would like to invite the following two as temporary members of the Council to assist the project management in any aspects

Quote:
21-6, tom wrote: According to DJ the council is not established as yet, only proposed, we're awaiting his confirmation on establishment before we can proceed.

Quote:
21-6; irmtfan wrote: now all final decisions should come from Council team that have 3 members ( Yes this is a transient or what else you name team but anyway they chosen for this team to do their job and we should start from somewhere):
- phppp
- jmorris
- tom
so they should work as a team and vote for everything.
again you see Project Manager is not above Council team and is not important at all.
what is not clear is:
- what is their important decisions?
- who make this decisions? again it should come from a true voting system not by a single person.
- 2 out of 3 votes for everything is enough for accept it. what is these votes?

Quote:
21-6; JMorris wrote: Now, whether the proposal to carry out the original plans or whether new plans are drafted, I think it is imperative that we clearly establish who will be the people who make the final call are and we clearly define the procedures for the decision making.
We cannot operate under the direction of 1 person at this point. There must be a proper representation from all areas of XOOPS if we are going to restructure XOOPS so that it meets the needs of the majority.
The impression Tom and I had was that we would have equal say in this council. We were then told that the council was not in effect; therefore, we had no vote.

Quote:
23-6; vaughan wrote: but I also agree, that all the decisions that have been made lately have been made by 1 person and not discussed with other council members, and I ask, if james & Tom have no say then what's the point of them being council members even if temporary??? but the way things are at moment, it's still a dictatorship (for want of a better word) and not a democracy (which it should be).

Quote:
26-6 phppp: However during the transient period, I has been taking the lead role for establishing XOOPS Project teams and invited JMorris and tom as temporary council members to assist in the procedure, never with task assignments and specified areas.


No changes since 10-6. Nobody needs comments about this: it is very clear.

"Assist" means "To give support to in some undertaking or effort, or in time of distress; to help; to aid; to succor". I do not read "to vote".

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