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The only competition to XOOPS is Joomla, IMHO.

I even made a decision at one point to switch. I bought books on Joomla and installed a test site.

I have to say, I just don't get Joomla. Maybe it's because I'm used to the way XOOPS works. I have trouble doing even the most basic things with Joomla because the underlying way Joompla works seems very counter-intuitive to me.

There are other CMS systesms, of course. But I would stick with Xoops, especially if you are already a bit along on the learning curve.

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[A group chuckle goes here]

Yes, that would seem reasonable, but welcome to the confusing world of Xoops.

1. There is a fork of XOOPS that is supposedly abandoned. I say "supposedly" because there are still many people using that fork that need to be supported and because there is a recent update to it that takes care of some security issues This is good on the one hand, but makes it seem all the more a viable and recent release on the other hand. So, here is confusing XOOPS rule #1: the abandoned fork has more recent release numbers. So, 2.2x is the bad fork while 2.0x is the good fork. So, for starters make sure you are using 2.0.17 or 2.0.17.1 or 2.0.18.

2. The original forum of choice for XOOPS was Newbb. The forum of choice is now CBB. However, CBB must go into a module directory calle "newbb" on your host server. So, the module directory is called newbb but that is no longer what you are running. CBB 3.08 is probably is one you want, even though there is a recent 4.0 that is a bit problematice. By the way, don't forget all the other files you have to upload to make CBB work. Those files take up maybe around 4 times more space than the CBB module itself. Make sense?

All of us who have stuck around through the years understand these quirks. We do NOT, however, understand how any new user is EVER supposed to "get" XOOPS under the present circumstances. It must be frustrating as hell. We talk to excess about how all this is supposed to be fixed so that we no longer drive away potential users, but the talk goes on.

A final word: XOOPS is worth the trouble if you can just tough it out through the learning curve.

When I ran the scripts, there was no indications of a problem. There was just something like "745 files read" (or whatever the number was). I took that as meaning there were no problems.

If your hosting company is using a script like Fantastico, you will always be way behind in upgrades.

The advantage of fast server-side installs with Fantastico and others is far outweighed by the disavantage of never being closer than about 3-6 months to the latest upgrade.

So, yes the information you received is accurate in that once you take 10 minutes to manually install you will never be able to do a 1 minute automatic install/update. For programs that rely on frequent updates, my response to that would be "So what?"

Yes, same here, several times.

It's interesting that you are using prior versions of Frameworks and Xoopseditor since someone else reported that they had to go back to a prior version to make CBB 4.0 work.

I have to assume that things are working OK with the majority of 4.0 installations since there don't seem to be too many complaints.

And, right, it is an alpha version. However, it is being touted as a simple upgrade IF you also upgrade FW and Xoopseditor.

I'm using a semi-production site (the forum part of the site was suspended a few weeks ago) so this is not a big problem. I would probably just go back to 3.08, but I suspect that might cause an even larger database problem.

It's more a case of wanting to get it solved, kind of like a cross-word puzzle --you don't have to get it done, you just want to work out the solution.

Another factor here, I think, is that CBB may be fine, but the size and complexity of the baggage that has to go along with it to make it work is fast becoming unmanageable.

I actually would prefer the horrors of a bridge at this point rather than do one more install of FW and Xoopseditor. My own view, shared by many other I suspect, is that a forum does not need more than basic editing capabilities.

Yes, it was an upgrade from 3.08. And, yes, I did try changing the "since" setting which, as you observed, was no help.

If I had to guess, I would say there is a database problem that interferes with pulling in posts.

I seem to have similar problems each time I try a new version of CBB.

I installed 4.0 alpha and the newest Frameworks and xoopseditor. Everything seems fine until you try to view a post: nothing happens.

All the posts are listed, but you cannot view, edit or reply.

I would suspect it is Xoopseditor, but when you try to post a new topic, you get a database error message:

Could not insert forum post
post text insert error

Everything was working with 3.08. I have tried using phpMyAdmin to repair, check, analyze, etc. the database, but that was no help.

Yes, everthing is in the proper directory. I even tried going back to the prior version of Frameworks. That made no difference. I also did the usual things like clear template_c, reinstall everything, reupload everything, reinstall again, and probably other things I can't think of at the moment.

Anyone see anything I am missing?

You will have to be able to use your MySQL administration panel (assuming your host allows you to manipulate your database) and you will need to know just enough sql to be able to directly import your users.

This is not a XOOPS thing, it is a MySQL database thing.

I've read some of the threads about CBB 3.08 problems, but haven't seen my specific problem.

The only way to assign a moderator is from a picklist that displays about 4 users. I have 8,000 users and they display in order from the time they registered. I seem to remember it at least used to be alphabetical.

Obviously it is impossibe to scroll a half-inch window through 8,000 choices trying to assign a moderator.

Anyone else see this? Any fixes?