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Posted on: 2007/11/2 12:43
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#21

Re: Is anyone else sick of all this crap?

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PepeMty

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Posted on: 2007/11/2 14:16
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Re: Is anyone else sick of all this crap?

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wingrider101

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Posted on: 2007/12/13 20:38
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#23

Re: Is anyone else sick of all this crap?

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Bassman wrote:
Like the thread title says. Is anyone else sick of all this crap?


Put me on your list as agreeing 100%. The XOOPS concept was so beautiful back in 2003, and it's been tarnished again and again by pettiness and bickering. It's actually painful now to come to this site (when it's up). And now, hearing about the betrayal by the latest of the never ending re-org teams, I'm to the point of throwing the whole thing out.

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I've been a XOOPS user and a forum member since 2003. Over that time i've seen a lot of ups and downs in the project, people coming and going, and some coming and going more than once. But lately I can't believe what i'm seeing. I'm sick of all the ego trips, character assassination, lies, half-truths, accusations, misinformation, self-promotion, and all the plain crap. I'm not naming names, there's a lot of you, and you all know who you are.


Actually, that's the problem. They don't know who they are. All of the real trouble makers have been quietly working their covert agenda, snowing us into believing that they were working in our benefit on our beloved Xoops. The blowhards have been serving their unknown masters well by dividing us and allowing them to take advantage of the work of so many to create their own #OOPS#ized fork of Xoops. Any real person with feelings for anyone besides themselves would feel BADLY about the whole ImpressCMS mess, and trying to "Serve two Masters" as Jesus put it.

It's time for some righteous indignation on the part of those of us who humbly TRY to help the program along, and who want to approach the XOOPS CMS in a more professional way. It's time for us to call for an ELECTED group to run the XOOPS program, and for ACCOUNTABILITY to be the word of the day.

I fear we'll never see it. I hope we will, but I'm betting we won't.

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I wasn't going to say anything, but I really don't want to see something i've invested so much of my time in go down the toilet.T here's a lot of very talented people here wasting their time with this crap instead of making XOOPS better. I'm just wondering how many other users are sick of it all, and how many former users that have just disappeared because of it.


Man.. chisel that in stone! Being a not-so-technical (my PHP knowledge sucks) user of XOOPS for several web sites, and attempting to use the software in a business environment, I haven't had much to input here. Partially due to time constraints, and partially because I just don't have that many answers.

I try to help when I can by Wiki or Forum postings, but there is a lot more I could do, and like many here SHOULD HAVE DONE to assist the efforts in the past.

I believe that XOOPS is dead unless it can put together a cognizant plan for going forward in the future. We need leadership. We need organization. We need persistence and understanding. We need to renew our sense of community.

Without these things, the millions of keystrokes we have all made here mean nothing.

How do we do it? We focus on Xoops. We ignore the forks and let them do their thing just as we are going to do ours. The nefarious way that the current board has been acting is grounds for dismissal clearly.

I don't know about all of you, but the new XOOPS site is pretty much the OLD XOOPS site. I see no improvement to speak of. The module/theme repository continues to have broken links, old modules and themes and is disorganized to say the least. It needs an enema.

Further, it's now clear that one of the reasons for the slow development of Xoops, and the poor re-building of this site is that there was a DISTRACTION taking time away from Xoops, and putting it into a fork of Xoops. There's a lot of detail elsewhere in the forums on what's been going on, so I won't go into it here, but.... THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES! We've all been had.

Giving up and throwing in the towel was my first thought, but then I got angry, and decided to make XOOPS a success as my PERSONAL choice by doing everything I can to help in the future.

So, I'm committed... who else is committed with me?
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BlueStocking

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Posted on: 2007/12/13 22:52
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Re: Is anyone else sick of all this crap?

I am committed...
and here is the proof...

All pages

I put my wiki work where my mouth is...

I don't think ADDON's and XOOPSWIKI.org is willing to do that. (I know xoopsinfo isn't, the people over there have been advertising - no longer active on xoops.org for a long time now. -- pre DJ I might add)

I believe if they want to bring it over to xoops.org we can find a place for it...

BlueStocking.
https://xoops.org/modules/repository .. It is time to get involved - XOOPS.ORG

BlueStocking

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Posted on: 2007/12/13 23:49
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#25

Re: Is anyone else sick of all this crap?

@wingrider101

1) I have a lot to learn about XOOPS in general, so I worked on the area that gave me the best background information. The operations manual.

https://xoops.org/modules/mediawiki/index.php/Operation_Manual

I put that into the wiki with links to the areas that relate to user interests, I hope... adding a glossary

https://xoops.org/modules/mediawiki/index.php/Category:Glossary

that Jen had done years ago and updated some of that so that it might be used for giving help in the future when I learn enough to be helpful.

Note in particular the Glossary_T

https://xoops.org/modules/mediawiki/index.php/Glossary_T

There on my own site I am hosting html pages that I hope will be useful in answering technical questions relating to the templates, etc.,

I hope to be able to put the useful portion of the pages on xoops.org as time permits.

There is much that can be done to HELP XOOPS, but it takes a desire, and attitude, as JFK said, what can I do for xoops, not so much what can XOOPS do for me.

With the previous crew, (several of them) comment like this from me would be met with much berating... As if I were downing what they had done. Which isn't true... there is just room for more, ideas and people contributing in their own way.

That is my opinion.

Thanks for being interested...
Welcome Aboard...

...darcy
https://xoops.org/modules/repository .. It is time to get involved - XOOPS.ORG

gtop00

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Posted on: 2007/12/14 0:10
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Re: Is anyone else sick of all this crap?

Quote:

wingrider101 wrote:
...
It's time for some righteous indignation on the part of those of us who humbly TRY to help the program along, and who want to approach the XOOPS CMS in a more professional way. It's time for us to call for an ELECTED group to run the XOOPS program, and for ACCOUNTABILITY to be the word of the day.

I fear we'll never see it. I hope we will, but I'm betting we won't.

...

I believe that XOOPS is dead unless it can put together a cognizant plan for going forward in the future. We need leadership. We need organization. We need persistence and understanding. We need to renew our sense of community.

...

So, I'm committed... who else is committed with me?


Dear wingrider101.

This is exactly the way the Proposal Preparation Committee follows (see here and here)

Please be patient as these things are not easy to be done automatically.

wingrider101

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Posted on: 2007/12/14 23:19
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#27

Re: Is anyone else sick of all this crap?

Quote:

BlueStocking wrote:
I am committed...
and here is the proof...

All pages

I put my wiki work where my mouth is...

I don't think ADDON's and XOOPSWIKI.org is willing to do that. (I know xoopsinfo isn't, the people over there have been advertising - no longer active on xoops.org for a long time now. -- pre DJ I might add)

I believe if they want to bring it over to xoops.org we can find a place for it...

BlueStocking.


Never doubted you for a minute Darcy!

I'm concerned we're going to have XO for much longer. Sounds like the fighting over servers and backups has begun elsewhere. Oh well, we'll find a home SOMEWHERE if XO goes.

I've always liked your Wiki!
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wingrider101 at gmail dot com
http://byron.homelinux.com
http://www.xoopstyro.com
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wingrider101

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Posted on: 2007/12/14 23:26
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Re: Is anyone else sick of all this crap?

Quote:

gtop00 wrote:
This is exactly the way the Proposal Preparation Committee follows (see here and here)

Please be patient as these things are not easy to be done automatically.


I hear you, and I'm with the spirit of what you are saying. It never hurts to know the villagers have torches and matches when you are creating a Frankenstein though.

It's going to be up to the folks who use and need the software to keep it alive.

Postnuke went through this EXACT same problem about two years ago or more, and they had one heck of a time getting the program back on track. Some would say that they never did. The few "community spirited" folks who were there LEFT. It's a hard and hostile set of forums to look at the last time I was on their site.

I'm willing to be patient. I'm all for patience. I'll buy it one more time though, and that's about it for me. My business depends on XOOPS because I told them to use it. That makes me a complete idiot if it slides down the tubes. So sure, I have personal reasons for wanting it fast, but I'm a team player. I'll wait and see what you all come up with. It sounds like the committee's heart is in the right place.

We'll see.
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BlueStocking

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Posted on: 2007/12/15 0:41
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#29

Re: Is anyone else sick of all this crap?

by wingrider101 on 2007/12/14 23:26:43

We've indentified the enemy and it wasn't the CMS...

To me...
XOOPS future never looked brighter... than it does today.

This theme is clean and fully XOOPS --
The server is faster and much more secure...
The database is in tack as much as could be recovered and searchable. (Google and internal)

The "community car" is feeling less like a caboose and more like an engine now...

I am begining to fall in love... again!!!

BlueStocking.

BTW: Xoops.org is here to stay...
No doubt in my mind at all now...
https://xoops.org/modules/repository .. It is time to get involved - XOOPS.ORG