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Bender
Re: [adult site] TPG Thumb
  • 2006/5/17 16:04

  • Bender

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to avoid confusions: *dropping my moderator tag*
though still a member of the news team.



Ok,

since i am the one responsible i am going to say something about this:



1. yes i asked m0nty to remove this news submit

2. i used just common sense to come to this conclusion, read:

- this site under discussion is unprotected porn. (end of line)
We are not talking about any grey area worth discussing the difference between erotic and porn for example. There is no grey area in this case. Fact.

- this site is offering warez links. Again this is no grey area!

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That being said ...

Please keep this topic on this case. I don´t see any need for a general censorship discussion on Xoops.org since it is not censoring but us making decisions. You might not like them and you are free to speak up and convince us otherwise but its so easy to use words like dictatorship or censoring (because they get to the crowd easily dont they?).

If you have other censoring issues open a separate thread and list the issues. Somehow i think you will come up empty handed. But go ahead if you have something.

Ok ... now there was talk about the XOOPS Management to decide on this ... well lets look at that. Hmmm i suggest you bomb them with pms and bother them to make big postings and big rules on this. I really appreciate seeing for example skalpa posting instead of coding. Who needs new code or new XOOPS versions when we can have lots of statements, rules and such instead.

I am sorry but imho this decision is up to the news team. Either you give some people some trust or you don´t.

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Ok now some more direct responses to tgpthumb post on page1:

Quote:
The reason i post to YAXS was to show that XOOPS can be used to something else like childs playgorund sites.


Oh yes. All those other people submitting their sites will really be happy to see that their stuff is "childs playground". Well at least - thats how i read your wording even after rereading it 3 times.

Quote:
but looks like xoops.org yaxs editors they do actually censor to thigns that they personally dont like.


So you think i don´t like porn? Hmmmm ...
What i don´t like is making it available completely open like that. You might argue that a enter/leave button is a lame protection too but then again would that not show how willingly and knowingly you make such content available?
(btw: do you have children of your own?)
And the globally working excuse: *fingerpoint* look these people are doing the exactly same thing. So what does it matter if i do?

Finally (actually that was my first thought) i don´t want to see the next slashdot article read like: Xoops From cms to porn - just too clicks away. (however thats kind of a common sense thing again ... but well everyone has his own thoughts there based on the culture one does come from)

Quote:
the reason the moderator give on this forum, is not acceptable for censoring. the whole internet is full of adult site with explicit pictures on the main page.


Its not the moderators responsability to give you explanations. That was a news teams decision and should be treated as such. Even if in this case m0nty is teamleader of the news team. Blame them and not the mods.

Did i mention this "the whole world is evil - so why should i not?" mentality? I think i did ...

Quote:
even the xoop site preferences and metatags allow you to specify the rating of every sites content.


So we increase the rating of Xoops.org just to be on the safe side to promote stuff like this on the (frontpage in this case) news? Great idea.

Quote:
if you wanna play dad.. and not allow people to look at this kind of sites, then you should start bloking all adult related websites on the whole internet.


Now thats a real adult argument. I am speachless and can´t say anything about this.

Quote:
besides all this, do you think an underage kid will come to xoops.org , hummm dont think so... most of us, are guys over 18.


Yes I do.

Quote:
i though this community was all about free speech and contributions, but look like not.


Well in this case it seems it does not.

Speaking of contributions: What exactly are your contributions to this site? Besides promoting your website?
You got another nick under which you post here? Because currently you have exact 1 posting which is the one complaining. Anything? Maybe a second nick with some activity to show?

Quote:
whats going to happend when some programmer make an adult module for XOOPS ??? if the module comes with defaults explicit images are you also going to block his module on repository ???


As we say here: we cross that bridge when we get there.

Quote:
ask yourself this questions before,


checking ... did that.

Quote:
deleting post that was marked from the beggining as an adult link.


Actually this is the only thing i can find that makes me thinking in your favor.

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*picking up my moderator tag*
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Bender
Re: [adult site] TPG Thumb
  • 2006/5/17 16:11

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Quote:

MadFish wrote:
Ok if it has warez then a) it is clearly illegal and b) it clearly violates the terms of service, so by all means take the story down. But 'illegal' is a completely different issue.


Sorry MadFish i can´t follow you on that road:

Why is warez clearly illegal and porn not? (for the sake of argument porn being defined as primary sex-divides shown in context of doing it)

There are countries you get in jail for one or the other respectively making one or the other available to others.

While i can understand you saying leave it to the people to decide then you already don´t follow this yourself with saying warez should be removed.

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MadFish
Re: [adult site] TPG Thumb
  • 2006/5/17 16:53

  • MadFish

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Hi Bender

Warez can be generally regarded as illegal because there is an international treaty on copyright issues (the Berne Convention) which is signed by more than 150 countries.

The legal status of pornography varies but most countries allow some form of pornography (Wikipedia!), it's not generally accepted as illegal.

I'm not trying to start a debate on porn by the way, I am just saying I don't see the harm in people announcing adult sites on xoops.org if they are clearly marked as such.

But that's just me :)

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Chappy
Re: [adult site] TPG Thumb
  • 2006/5/17 21:22

  • Chappy

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Several thoughts on this...

First, one of the things that I have enjoyed (on and off) about XOOPS is the sense of community. Especially in recent days the forums seem to be more civil and folks seem to be pulling more in the same direction (rather than against each other). That's a good thing in my book. There's not so many flames and rough profanity isn't tolerated. I like being part of this community (and have since about 2001) and indeed would be happy to have my 14 year old son access this community. I'd be happy with my wife being part of this community (if she were the least bit interested).

These things are what community means. Not that there's not disagreement. But, that people are treated civilly and with respect and in an age-appropriate and gender appropriate fashion. I'm not asking for church or temple or synagogue.

The points that Bender has raised resonate with me. I realize some sites will have a more adult emphasis - such as the other site mentioned in this thread - and I'm willing to live with that. But, blatant porn sites? IMHO, they are inconsistent with the direction (should I say erection ) of community and a site that is safe. Finally, as a matter of reality, I need to be able to access from work.
MMM...It tastes like chicken! ...

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davidl2
Re: [adult site] TPG Thumb
  • 2006/5/17 21:30

  • davidl2

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That's one of the reasons I changed the news heading to [adult site] Chappy... before it was ever released... as I had quickly seen this as awaiting approval while at work.

Being at work - I couldn't really check the site to see if it was suitable for release at the time.

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Peekay
Re: [adult site] TPG Thumb
  • 2006/5/22 21:22

  • Peekay

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Quote:

Dave_L wrote:
"full on in your face porn site in 1 click"


I have to say Dave... that's a very snappy slogan!
A thread is for life. Not just for Christmas.

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Dave_L
Re: [adult site] TPG Thumb
  • 2006/5/22 22:57

  • Dave_L

  • XOOPS is my life!

  • Posts: 2277

  • Since: 2003/11/7


m0nty said that. I was only quoting him.

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