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Re: Proposal: Towards A Sustainable Open Source Project

  • 2007/11/5 11:25

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@sailjapan

And do you think that skilled developers, designers, users will join and contributions be done for the pleasure of a few guys running for a second life with virtual seats and titles?

Come on. The web has changed. State where XOOPS was left, ask developers about the code, designers about User Interface, users about issues, ideas to improve it.
Developers rely on designers who rely on users.

All these, and all that - Invite People to 'communicate' openly!

Do you thing that a patchwork should be made to get something eye-catch which looks like something else?

And find one day that everything is broken and there's no more compatibility.
Find your self stuck with your huge site and not be able to migrate your content?
ref. Myth branch, Skalpa branch
I like people more than machines or money. But that's me!
Lets do something good and great: Lets do open source!
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Re: Proposal: Towards A Sustainable Open Source Project

  • 2007/11/5 11:03

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Sure, if you say so.


You plan to close it

while I still defend it should be done first openly
so the project can benefit from everyone contribution.


This is an open source community-driven project or not?
Isn't the base code development?

Is there an agreement on that !?
I like people more than machines or money. But that's me!
Lets do something good and great: Lets do open source!
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Re: Proposal: Towards A Sustainable Open Source Project

  • 2007/11/5 10:48

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Quote:
The proposal that follows below is tabled for open discussion by the XOOPS Community.



Open discussion?

Xoops community?

Aren't all the proposals here, on this thread?

Hummm....

So, you like team members, community and Open Source.

And you state that is about 'community participation'

Where, How, participate on what ?


But you support people who close it!

That's funny
I like people more than machines or money. But that's me!
Lets do something good and great: Lets do open source!
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Re: Proposal: Towards A Sustainable Open Source Project

  • 2007/11/5 9:43

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Quote:
By phppp, October 24th, 2007

The proposal that follows below is tabled for open discussion by the XOOPS Community. The ultimate goal of the proposal is to develop an improved management for the XOOPS project that will encourage community participation and carry the project forward for the long term.



Support what? And contribute to what?


One side there is people trying to set it free, open source!

Other side, there is people closing to create privileges, seats and titles.


As you have done closing the proposal that should be open to community.

Success in reproducing the same issues with same seats and titles?

The discussion should be public and about the core, and project structure,
open to everyone contribution.

State about what is the web today, how technologies have evolve the last 3 years.
What is required to reduce the gap, what to improve on the core.
Then you will have something to manage!

But Now, we know what side you run for, thanks!
I like people more than machines or money. But that's me!
Lets do something good and great: Lets do open source!
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Re: Proposal: Towards A Sustainable Open Source Project

  • 2007/11/5 9:30

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Quote:

sailjapan wrote:
right now Nuno, we're establishing roles. Who's responsible for reporting, who's responsible for maintaining a wiki, who's chair... Which system we're going use to vote etc. (...)
No conspiracy, just nothing to say yet.

Crip



Establishing roles? who's responsabible?


The core defines its requirements to match technology evolution
The project structure defines its rules to evolve.

The project being community driven, everyone is responsible.
Alike wiki, it is based on everyone contribution.

And you just confirm that you keep it close to public
to define who and who from the such small group will
have a seat and a title ??

Not very different from the Foundation closed team.

Sorry, If it is that, i will not support you anymore !
I like people more than machines or money. But that's me!
Lets do something good and great: Lets do open source!
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Re: Proposal: Towards A Sustainable Open Source Project

  • 2007/11/5 9:04

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@sailjapan


Sorry, it is not a frustration it is a fact !
You're spending your time and prevent this topic to evolve
closing discussion, you close it to evolution.
Alike the last team as done! Same behavior, same consequences. Someone was using the following quote within signature :

“The definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” — Albert Einstein

Also, without core contributions/development what will you manage?

@skenow

Humm... you're thinking your-self as one of the pictures leaders that you can't see the reality. I will not spend my time explaining to you how to open your mind to open source spirit.
But when your work on earth is done, mark your last abode !
I like people more than machines or money. But that's me!
Lets do something good and great: Lets do open source!
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Re: Proposal: Towards A Sustainable Open Source Project

  • 2007/11/4 20:23

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Quote:

skenow wrote:
Funny, I don't see you in the picture at all, Damaster




Since I'm not part of any "run for a seat and title"
I'm at the place of the user alike almost everyone here.
Based on my proposal, quite clear, don't you think so ?



@jdseymour

To bad the way you try to show you smartness.
as it only means that's a personal transfer.
Rather frequent with persons suffering from
cerebral damage in association with personality
disturbance arising as a reaction to impairment
...




Focus on Proposal

It was suggested to be a community discussion
not a private one, where people will build their seats
and define titles for the next 6 months !

I like people more than machines or money. But that's me!
Lets do something good and great: Lets do open source!
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Re: New functions in Xoops 2.0.18

  • 2007/11/4 14:49

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Me too? Wow!... Didn't knew about that. Thanks mate.

Since you point the finger... I understand that you feel very concerned about it?

It's up to you to be honest or not with your customers.

We are not doing the same job, and we don't consider people the same way.
I like people more than machines or money. But that's me!
Lets do something good and great: Lets do open source!
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Re: Proposal: Towards A Sustainable Open Source Project

  • 2007/11/4 14:24

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Re: Proposal: Towards A Sustainable Open Source Project

  • 2007/11/4 13:13

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Quote:

phppp wrote:
By phppp, October 24th, 2007

The proposal that follows below is tabled for open discussion by the XOOPS Community. The ultimate goal of the proposal is to develop an improved management for the XOOPS project that will encourage community participation and carry the project forward for the long term. It is proposed to achieve this through four steps :
1. Seeking general agreement from the community on the process outlined in this document.
2. Establishment of a team of community members to prepare a draft proposal on Management Structure of the XOOPS Project.
3. Publish the draft proposal for discussion and feedback from the community.
4. Implement the finalised management arrangements.
(...)



Well, sad to those who have spend their time reading and posting in this thread. I'm in a good mood but its realistic to say that some things never change, new nicknames repeating what others have done before...

This should be community-driven, why it is not?

Why its not open to ALL contributions ?

It seems that some people are doing their best to
create their own privileged situation/position...

Are you closing discussion and preventing community to contribute?

To conclude, isn't this one more failure?
In what are you different from your predecessors?
I like people more than machines or money. But that's me!
Lets do something good and great: Lets do open source!
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