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Re: [XOOPSinfo.com] A call for Community Collaboration
by skenow on 2007/3/13 23:42:05

Quote:

Mamba wrote:
I wish that you would judge the book by the content and not by its cover. Are you trying to say that you won't consider anything being said by somebody who is not listed as admin on XOOPS site, or has less that XXX messages posted on http://www.xoops.org?


I do read the content of the posts - what I look for is someone who says "I will ..." instead of "You should ..."
Re: [XOOPSinfo.com] A call for Community Collaboration
by davidl2 on 2007/3/13 11:54:10

Giba - from what I understand of what James is doing with his site, it will be compiling information from many sources via RSS and other means.... so copying this information via RSS to Xoops.org would be doing the same thing again.

Rather like having 4 wheels on a 3 wheeled car.

James's site will allow people to read a wide variety of information and news from one place - on a site dedicated for this purpose.

Kind of like being able to read a newspaper, without having to turn pages for adverts.
Re: [XOOPSinfo.com] A call for Community Collaboration
by JMorris on 2007/3/13 11:27:44

@MadFish,

Yep, that's about the size of it.

@Mamba,

In spite of my Moderator rank, I cannot do what is being done with XOOPSinfo on xoops.org, for whatever reason.

XOOPSinfo is an effort to give back to the community. It is an effort to make it simpler for users to find information that is not easily found on xoops.org in its current state and in it's proposed state.

Whether or not XOOPSinfo eventually gets "assimilated" into xoops.org or not is not my decision.

In a nutshell... What is being done on XOOPSinfo and HelpXOOPS cannot be done on XOOPS.org but is needed by the community; therefore, members of the community are doing something about it instead of griping about the need and waiting for someone else to do it.

P.S. XOOPSinfo is not going to be a support site. I thought I had made that clear. It is going to be a "Portal" like my.yahoo.com or msn.com.

I understand where you are coming from, Mamba, and I do respect your concerns. However, it is not possible for the community to do the work being done at XOOPSinfo on xoops.org.
Re: [XOOPSinfo.com] A call for Community Collaboration
by MadFish on 2007/3/13 8:24:57

I think maybe he just wants to get some stuff done. The ways xoops.org works at the moment, it isn't easy for someone who has an idea to get something changed or implemented here. So the quickest (and perhaps, the only) way to progress some things is to build your own chicken and see if it flies.

Our (admittedly limited) experience to date suggests that it's a lot easier to get things changed or added to xoops.org when you're delivering a finished product rather than an idea that someone else has to implement.

I'd love to see xoops.org as the central repository for finished products but currently it just isn't working that way. Something we need to find a solution to. Maybe this site will come up with some ways of achiving that that xoops.org can make use of.
Re: [XOOPSinfo.com] A call for Community Collaboration
by Mamba on 2007/3/13 8:15:54

Quote:

JMorris wrote:
I see it as a needed contribution to the community that cannot be implemented on xoops.org domains due to the plans for the site restructuring. I see it as a way to tie all areas of XOOPS together in one, easy to use interface.

Not everything is appropriate for a xoops.org site. As server admin, I sure as h3ll wouldn't want a site hosted on these servers with experimental modules or a site that constantly fetches rss feeds from other sites. Stop and think about it for a second. xoops.org isn't a playground. We have to keep things in perspective and use our resources in the best way possible.


Our goal should be to make http://www.xoops.org the best XOOPS Website possible for XOOPS users. If you see you current Website as a "playground" to test your ideas, which will be later on incorporated into XOOPS main site, then let's state so on the Website, and ask people for feedback. Right now you're asking for active content contributions, while we should be asking for contributions to http://www.xoops.org



Quote:

I'm overseeing the server migration so that the new site structure will be fast, reliable, and secure. Some of xoops.org's biggest issues have been because the sites are not hosted on an appropriate platform that is capable of meeting the demands of the xoops.org sites.

XOOPSinfo.com and HelpXOOPS.info deal with XOOPS issues, but as stated above, these are issues that should not be dealt with on the xoops.org servers or domains.

I have thought about this extensively. After reading a lot of discussion about the site restructuring, I came to the conclusion that the new site structure was appropriate and well thought out, but didn't answer every request. This is natural and can be expected. It's impossible to give every user exactly what they want.

My motivation behind XOOPSinfo.com is to fill in a gap that is not practical for xoops.org. Pure and simple.


If this would be the case, I wouldn't have any problems. But going to your Website, or to http://helpxoops.info, it shows a lot of duplicated content, that is competing with http://www.xoops.org

If you are talking about "filling a gap", can you define this gap?

In your original statement you say:

Quote:
Until now, XOOPSinfo has pretty much been a one-man-show. I would like to move away from this model and make XOOPSinfo a true community resource. The spirit behind this site was and still is to make it as simple as possible for members to find information.


Well, I am lost because it doesn't say that this is a "playground" to test different ideas that would benefit the main XOOPS Website, but instead it says that the goal is to have it as a "true community resource", which in my mind is competing with http://www.xoops.org

Can you see where my concerns are coming from?

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