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Re: Finished my first Xoops site - but the clients hate it! (multiple problems)
by andycleff on 2006/1/27 14:44:41

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5. They say that frequently, the changes they try to make to articles in AMS don't take and they have to make them over and over again. I asked if they're remembering to click one of the revision options before submitting, since that's the only cause I've ever run into of changes not taking, and they insist they have. Again, I can't reproduce this error. Has anyone else encountered it?


They are lying or mistaken about having clicked the "revison options" before submitting.

We've changed the default setting to "minor revision" so that if the user forgets to click it, their changes are not lost.

Solves that problem easily.
Re: Finished my first Xoops site - but the clients hate it! (multiple problems)
by exbanious on 2006/1/25 17:11:24

As far as the logging in twice thing is concerned, i have notice that same problem. It only seems to happen if i have logged into something else and did not close my browser before logging into xoops. Seems to only happen with Internet Explorer.
Re: Finished my first Xoops site - but the clients hate it! (multiple problems)
by davidl2 on 2006/1/25 9:13:52

It's definately worth checking some of the very handy plugins for firefox to handle the bb codes...

(PS: very clean looking site)
Re: Finished my first Xoops site - but the clients hate it! (multiple problems)
by Catzwolf on 2006/1/25 9:11:08

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Ask them to document this complaint. Who can't load it, what browser and version are they using. XOOPS works with every browser. There is an issue with many *themes* and some of the older IE 5.X versions - they loaded fine but there were problems with displaying width of columns correctly. Maybe some of the people have a bandwidth problem - but at 35K your home page is pretty small.


I agree very good advice, I have also known browser to 'choke' on error or problem.

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Just a guess - but I find that if I *edit* a news article that is already posted it disappears. This is because the 'set date/time publish' check box seems to get automatically checked when I edit a story. It reappears a few hours later (maybe my server clock is set wrong or something, not sure). I am using the news module, but AMS is based on a previous version of that, so maybe is the same thing.


Thanks for reminding me Madfish, yes AMS is a fork of the news module and I had to recode the news module for a client to stop this from happening, its a bug and I don't think it was ever fixed either.

ATB

John
Re: Finished my first Xoops site - but the clients hate it! (multiple problems)
by MadFish on 2006/1/25 9:03:33

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1. Every time they log into the admin, they have to log in twice. Apparently, this is a recent development. Nothing has been changed on the site to the best of my knowledge that would account for it. Has anyone else ever encountered this?


We had this on our work site for a while. Never could figure out what was wrong, but it went away when when we did a clean install of the system module (during an upgrade).

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2. They say that some people can't load the site. I have not been able to get any more specific description of this, and possibly they haven't either from the people who've complained to them. They just say that, for some people, the site won't load. At all. Does anyone know what might be causing this? Are there some browsers XOOPS doesn't work in?


XOOPS works with every browser. Ask them to document this complaint. Who can't load it, what browser and version are they using. There is an issue with many *themes* and some of the older IE 5.X versions - they load fine but there were problems with displaying width of columns correctly. Maybe some of the people have a local network problem or a really bad bandwidth problem - but at 35K your home page is pretty small.

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3. Apparently the top article on the home page disappeared at one point and they think it expired, despite the fact that none of the articles have an expiry date set. They say they had to repost the article for it to show up again. But when I went into AMS to look at the articles, that article showed the original publication date and number of revisions - it did not appear to have been freshly posted. I have no idea what the hell happened there. Any guesses would be welcome.


Just a guess - but I find that if I *edit* a news article that is already posted it disappears. This is because the 'set date/time publish' check box seems to get automatically checked when I edit a story. It reappears a few hours later (maybe my server clock is set wrong or something, not sure). I am using the news module, but AMS is based on a previous version of that, so maybe is the same thing. Solution is to ensure that the box is unchecked, or (if its too late) to reset the publishing time a few hours previous to present.

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4. They hate both of the text editors available for AMS (standard and Koivi), with a passion. They refuse to use the standard editor because they don't want to have to deal with any code - it's got to be WYSIWYG. But they say Koivi is too slow and too buggy. They claim it takes over an hour just to copy and paste an article in from Word. I have no idea how or why it is taking them that long. I've had no problems with Koivi once I learned never to click the Preview button under any circumstances. The only other editor I've been able to find out about is Inbetween, and from the comments on the module page it sounds really buggy. Plus it sounds like it would take major surgery on the site to be able to get it to work. Are there any other alternatives? Note that they have to be able to copy in articles from Word and have the Word formatting (which is apparently in HTML) stay intact. They're very adamant on this.


If they don't want to deal with code, then frankly they had better stick to the standard editor and plain text files - if they can't learn bb code then they aren't trying. Frankly it sounds to me like a case of Technophobia. I can only suggest that some 'official training sessions' are in order - spend a few hours with them over several weeks until they get the hang of things (and get the boss to watch a bit of a session if you can, so they can see that it *isn't* a problem with the system). XOOPS does have its idiosyncracies but so does everything else. Rebuilding it isn't a solution.
Their 'administrators' do need to have a bit of patience.

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5. They say that frequently, the changes they try to make to articles in AMS don't take and they have to make them over and over again. I asked if they're remembering to click one of the revision options before submitting, since that's the only cause I've ever run into of changes not taking, and they insist they have. Again, I can't reproduce this error. Has anyone else encountered it?


I am sure you are right about this one. The revision options had me confused for a while as well, easy mistake to make. Maybe a 'help card' would help them get through it.

Lastly, insist that they document and demonstrate the issues to you (prefereably during a training session!). If they can't or won't, consider FIRING THE CLIENT!!!

I like your site, its good.

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