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#1 Posted on: Yesterday 12:54 Re: Pre-alpha Module Restaurants v1.0
Haha ok i didn't know what violent agreement means

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#2 Posted on: Yesterday 9:49 Re: Pre-alpha Module Restaurants v1.0
"Violent agreement" is not about being per se "violent"

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violent agreement: When two people think they are arguing, but fail to realize they actually agree.


One more thing - to see what's possible with XOOPS, check out this SimAntz PHP development framework built on top of XOOPS 2.4.4, which I recently discovered.

https://github.com/XoopsModules25x/simantz

The video shows very nicely the features:



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#3 Posted on: Yesterday 8:28 Re: Pre-alpha Module Restaurants v1.0
I do not know what you mean with "violent agreement" but there is definately nothing violent here it is only a discussion with a little different opinions
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I was suggesting to help improve Oledrion and make it more powerful, by making it more flexible and open for extensions
of course this is also my goal but there is a slightly difference :)

how I understood timgno is that he wants to have a module which presents a restaurant on a website. this is why I didn't unterstand how a ecommerce module, which has a 100% different purpose, could help here. but this was only my suggestion.

when i think of extensions for oledrion a think of openining hours where a shop is closed/open at certain hours, different payment methods, different vendors in one shop, selling media files, different types of a product like size/color etc.
This is how I would make oledrion more powerfull

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#4 Posted on: Yesterday 1:53 Re: Pre-alpha Module Restaurants v1.0
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Every developer have to decide on his own what he is doing with xoops.

Exactly!

Timgno asked for suggestions, I gave him couple, and it will be up to Timgno what he does with it.

However, it's always good to consider how it could help the wider community, and maybe we're in a "violent agreement" here? Because instead of having more modules, I was suggesting to help improve Oledrion and make it more powerful, by making it more flexible and open for extensions. So more focus on fewer but more powerful modules/solutions. Isn't that what you were also suggesting???

Instead of developing new modules, I prefer to improve and consolidate existing ones, because this will help us by spending less time on maintenance!

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#5 Posted on: 7/26 14:24 Re: Pre-alpha Module Restaurants v1.0
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"XOOPS is a web application platform written in PHP for the MySQL database. Its object orientation makes it an ideal tool for developing small or large community websites, intra company and corporate portals, weblogs and much more."

This is exactly what i said xoops is, just in other words
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Xoops is a web presentation or/and web community tool.


Look, in my opinion there is no tool that can make everything good. It is like having a swiss army knife. It has a knife, a scissors, bottle opener and so on. But in your everyday life you would not use this swiss knife. Instead you would use a real knife, a real scissors ans so on.

My personal vision of xoops is to be a powerful tool exactly described as in the first quote. This was the purpose of xoops as it was built for.
Xoops can't compete with tools in all areas. Because there are already professional tools that were developed exactly for one of these areas.

This is just my opinion. Every developer have to decide on his own what he is doing with xoops.

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#6 Posted on: 7/26 10:52 Re: Pre-alpha Module Restaurants v1.0
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Xoops is a web presentation or/and web community tool.
Why should someone make a inventory with xoops? Why should someone use restaurant payments with xoops?
Don't get this wrong, but let's stay with the purpose of cms.

OK, I am giving up!

For me,XOOPS is a so much more than just a CMS. We've been telling our visitors for years that: Quote:
"XOOPS is a web application platform written in PHP for the MySQL database. Its object orientation makes it an ideal tool for developing small or large community websites, intra company and corporate portals, weblogs and much more."

Just yesterday, I was writing to Richard about his two modules that he developed few years ago and posted recently to GitHub:

a) gwReports is a serious MySQL reporting tool implemented as a module for XOOPS (development, tutorial and a DEMO)

b) gwLoto is a "web based hazardous energy control plan manager. It is designed to facilitate the communication and tracking of vital safety procedures to enable workers to safely accomplish maintenance tasks through a documented lockout and tagout program."(development, starting a tutorial, and DEMO)

What I told him was: Quote:
I do believe that both modules show that XOOPS can be a very serious CMS Platform, so that's why I was interested in getting them on GitHub :)
More people should know about it :)

The key word here is "platform"

Add to it something as serious (and awesome) as the XooNIps: Quote:
"The Laboratory for Neuroinformatics at RIKEN Brain Science Institute (BSI) is involved in developing various cutting-edge technologies related to NI such as XooNIps. XooNIps succeeded the concept and basic feature of the vision science platform; Visiome, constructed by the NRV (i.e., Neuroinformatics Research in Vision) Project and has been developed based on a content management system (CMS); XOOPS, as infrastructure for NI databases to share different types of data on the Internet."
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They have even written scientific papers about it like this one "Customizable neuroinformatics database system: XooNIps and its application to the pupil platform."

While XOOPS can fulfill the basic CMS functionality, XOOPS is capable of so much more!

So why should we sell ourselves short?

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#7 Posted on: 7/26 7:24 Re: Pre-alpha Module Restaurants v1.0
It would be nice if someone would maintain the oledrion module adding new features. But this is the wrong way to do it.

Xoops is a web presentation or/and web community tool.
Why should someone make a inventory with xoops? Why should someone use restaurant payments with xoops?
Don't get this wrong, but let's stay with the purpose of cms.

A good ecommerce module for xoops is important but if you want to do professional ecommerce then you will use a professional free or paid ecommerce tools.

Let focus on xoops as cms.

This suggestion Quote:
In that case:
* Drinks cart
* Food carts
* Desserts
* Perhaps beer cart
* Locations
* Wine card
* Suggestions

are only for presentation purpose and not for administration of a restaurant.

Let's stay focused and make xoops powerfull in things that a cms should do.

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#8 Posted on: 7/26 5:56 Re: Pre-alpha Module Restaurants v1.0
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Oledrion is a ecommerce module and you want to build a presentation/content module.

Depends how you look at that!

If you want to manage a restaurant, it is way more than just creating a menu. It involves:
- the menu itself (products)
- reservation method (e.g. a table)
- ordering on line (e.g. for carry-out)
- payment on-line or in person
- inventory (food items, wine, etc.)

All of this stuff can be handled by Oledrion

However, this would not be to convert Oledrion into a Restaurant module, but instead, making it more flexible and powerful, so it could handle various tasks like Hotel, Restaurant, Bookshop, etc.

If you remember, Oledrion was based on the Bookshop module (see the original announcement), but it was made more generic in order to handle any product or service. So it would be possible to make it even more generic with an architecture that would allow for specialized extensions to handle any sale of any product, like a Hotel, Restaurant, Bookshop, etc.

And that's what forking is all about, i.e. he doesn't have to change the original code of Oledrion, he can just create something different and maybe more powerful, the same way as Trabis forked SmartSection into Publisher

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#9 Posted on: 7/26 2:20 Re: Pre-alpha Module Restaurants v1.0
Please do not change oledrion for your restauran module.
Oledrion is a ecommerce module and you want to build a presentation/content module.
You would need much more time to undestand and fix oledrion instead of creating a Restaurant module from scratch.
Oledrion is a powerfull ecommerce module and it should be used for this purpose

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#10 Posted on: 7/25 19:37 Re: Pre-alpha Module Restaurants v1.0
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I will do so, however, the Oledrion module is really outdated, it is worth to change it, when I create a base with tdmcreate 1.91?

It's really up to you, what you find more useful. However, sometimes it's better to fix/improve an existing module, instead creating a new one.

My personal preference would be to merge the best features from some existing modules and create one that is better than any of them individually, and provide users of these modules with a migration path to that one.

Publisher is the best example. We had News, xNews, AMS, SmartSections, but all of them could be migrated to Publisher. I prefer to work on and improve Publisher, and encourage all users to migrate to Publisher, because then we have less modules to maintain

We need to focus on more reuse between modules. The best example of reuse is what Mage did with the "ModuleAdmin", because now all modules can share it and we have a nice consistency between modules.

It's possible that we cannot adjust Oledrion to be a "Restaurant" module. But think how cool it would be, if we could transform Oledrion into a generic "eCommerce engine", and by adding a specialized plugins like a "Hotel", "Restaurant", or "Bookshop", being able to provide our users with such solutions. It would be much faster to develop such plugins and easier to maintain them, than having tons of different modules developed from scratch.

I hope, XMF and Bitcero's Common Utilities will help us to extract more and more common features that could be shared and reused between module....

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