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Posted by: chippyashOn 2007/1/9 20:50:00 6939 reads

Following Mithrandir's release of the excellent SmartProfile module for Xoops 2.0.16, the question of which version of PHP (and to some extent MySQL) should we as Xoops devs (both core and module) be supporting, has arisen.

To help in determining who is running what and where, and more importantly who will be running what in the future, I've put together a very simple and quick questionnaire at Xoobs.net. Please help us to gather some important information about your PHP and MySQL usage by completing THE QUESTIONNAIRE.

You will need to enquire of your hosters first, if you don't already know the answer.

Data collected here will be passed back to Xoops.org to help developers plan their strategies.

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Re: Questionnaire regarding Supporting PHP5 and MySQL5

Shine Published 01/09/2007 21:48 Just can't stay away Joined 07/22/2002 Comments 822

No offence but what the heck does:

q1-07
q2-07
q3-07
q4-07
q1-08
beyond q2-08

mean? I really don't know what to choose to give the proper answer to your questions.

Apart from the above quesionaire considering developing modules, I realy think there should also be a descend inventory of the present modules which do/don't run within php5+ and sql5 and or only within 4+ and even both.
The result(s) should be assigned clealy to the specific module within the repository.
This would also clear out a lot.

Re: Questionnaire regarding Supporting PHP5 and MySQL5

stefan88 Published 01/09/2007 22:06 Community Support Member Joined 09/20/2004 Comments 1086

q1-07 = first quarter of 2007 ...

Re: Questionnaire regarding Supporting PHP5 and MySQL5

vaughan Published 01/09/2007 22:07 Friend of XOOPS Joined 11/26/2005 Comments 680

not sure shine, but i think Q1 means 1st quarter (jan - mar) of 2007.. Q2 2nd quarter (apr - jun) and so on.

this questionnaire is not to be regarded as anything related to the module repository at all.

I think it is solely as a basis of consideration to module developers that are now only writing modules for PHP 5 etc, instead of PHP 4, partly to do with the discussion surrounding Mith's smartprofile & smartblocks modules.

Re: Questionnaire regarding Supporting PHP5 and MySQL5

Peekay Published 01/10/2007 2:33 XOOPS is my life! Joined 11/20/2004 Comments 2335

I agree with shine. Until people visiting the module repository can clearly see what the system requirements are for each module, any advancement in the core will simply generate more confusion and disappointment.

Create PHP5 modules by all means, just put them in their own category. It's a 2-minute job.

Providing full system requirements should be conditional to publishing modules here on Xoops.org.

Re: Questionnaire regarding Supporting PHP5 and MySQL5

vaughan Published 01/10/2007 2:54 Friend of XOOPS Joined 11/26/2005 Comments 680

this isn't anything to do with the XOOPS repository or how the modules are submitted etc.

it's purely to find out what versions of PHP & MYSQL are being supported by users Site Hosts.

ie. surpass supports both PHP 4 & PHP 5, Mysql 4 & mysql 5 (if users ask).

it's purely informational in order to assess how many people are actually using PHP 5 etc, as a few developers have decided that they will only be developing now for PHP 5 and not PHP 4.

comments regarding the module repository etc are best kept to the forum where all the other posts regarding it are.

Re: Questionnaire regarding Supporting PHP5 and MySQL5

Peekay Published 01/10/2007 3:08 XOOPS is my life! Joined 11/20/2004 Comments 2335

I see your point. (Questionnaire completed in silence with stern look on face)

Re: Questionnaire regarding Supporting PHP5 and MySQL5

rowdie Published 01/10/2007 14:04 Just can't stay away Joined 07/21/2004 Comments 846

I appreciate what you are trying to do, but xoops.org has no use for the data collected in this survey. The XOOPS core developers (if that's who you mean by 'xoops.org') make decisions based on what they believe is best for the users of xoops, and modules developers, not on what hosting companies do.

Module developers could use the data you collect - though personally I wouldn't. Developers know the limitations and possibilities of the different PHP versions, and make informed decisions based on this. Hosting companies will follow, especially if people go elsewhere because they can't use their favourite app. Hosts are commercial enterprises, they will give customers what they ask for.

In my opinion it's irrelevant how many hosts support php 5 today. If applications won't function without php 5 then hosting companies will support it tomorrow, if not sooner.

Rowd

Re: Questionnaire regarding Supporting PHP5 and MySQL5

chippyash Published 01/10/2007 16:33 Friend of XOOPS Joined 01/29/2004 Comments 501

Thanks for your support Rowd. However, teh feedback so far seems to suggest that others are interested in taking part, in what is after all, something that should be of interest to all XOOPS developers. My experience of core dev is that they do pretty much as they please. As I said in the article, the results will be posted back here for all devs to use. If as you suggest, the core devs will ignore it, ce la vie.

Re: Questionnaire regarding Supporting PHP5 and MySQL5

Mithrandir Published 01/12/2007 11:23 XOOPS is my life! Joined 06/21/2003 Comments 6320

Quote:

Hosting companies will follow, especially if people go elsewhere because they can't use their favourite app. Hosts are commercial enterprises, they will give customers what they ask for.

I think you give us module developers too much credit by expecting users to go elsewhere if they cannot use e.g. the SmartBlocks module on their current host. More likely, they will not use the module.

Therefore it is of interest to me to know whether I am in line with the users (many use PHP5) or whether I am an annoying weirdo (if many use PHP4) - it won't make me not use PHP5-only features where applicable, but at least I will know whether I am one or the other.

Re: Questionnaire regarding Supporting PHP5 and MySQL5

Dave_L Published 01/12/2007 12:17 XOOPS is my life! Joined 11/07/2003 Comments 2277

Quote:

The XOOPS core developers (if that's who you mean by 'xoops.org') make decisions based on what they believe is best for the users of xoops, and modules developers, not on what hosting companies do.

How do the core developers decide what's "best for the users and module developers" without asking the users and module developers? Maybe you really mean what's "best for the core developers"?

I'm currently using XOOPS primarily on servers that support PHP 5 and MySQL 5, so I have no problem if XOOPS requires those. But I'm sure a lot of current or potential XOOPS users are stuck with having to use PHP 4 and/or MySQL 4.

I think this survey is a good idea, if it collects accurate data.

One question: How should one answer the survey if there are multiple hosts involved, and their policies regarding PHP/MySQL differ?

Re: Questionnaire regarding Supporting PHP5 and MySQL5

Mithrandir Published 01/12/2007 13:32 XOOPS is my life! Joined 06/21/2003 Comments 6320

Quote:

How should one answer the survey if there are multiple hosts involved, and their policies regarding PHP/MySQL differ?

Answer once per host? Might make it difficult to distinguish from double-posts, but since the data will vary, it will probably be the most accurate method.

Re: Questionnaire regarding Supporting PHP5 and MySQL5

irmtfan Published 01/12/2007 20:12 Module Developer Joined 12/07/2003 Comments 3419

IMHO php5 is not a big deal and good hosting companies offer both php5 and php4 in a share hosting.

but mysql5 and big changes in utf-8 collation and multi-bytes lang support need more time to handle all languages. i still have problems in upgrading my persian data from mysql4 to mysql5 in my localhost
database is very important.

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