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Re: XOOPSinfo.com: Now Online!

mesol Published 11/25/2006 6:49 Updated 11/25/2006 10:59 Not too shy to talk Joined 04/19/2006 Comments 168

Maybe this is one of the outcomw from this thread

Re: XOOPSinfo.com: Now Online!

jdseymour Published 11/25/2006 15:21 Friend of XOOPS Joined 11/11/2004 Comments 3782

Hi James. I like the idea of this site.

Just have one suggestion. I would suggest using weblinks module as it allows one site to be submitted to multiple categories.

For instance I have both free as well as premium services available on my sites.

Re: XOOPSinfo.com: Now Online!

msdana Published 11/25/2006 15:48 Updated 11/25/2006 15:55 Just can't stay away Joined 12/11/2005 Comments 817

Nice site! Keep up the good work

I agree with jdseymour

Re: XOOPSinfo.com: Now Online!

m0nty Published 11/25/2006 16:03 XOOPS is my life! Joined 10/24/2003 Comments 3337

yes.. very nice site James, and well laid out..

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irmtfan Published 11/25/2006 19:51 Module Developer Joined 12/07/2003 Comments 3419

also gathering of prof. tips
thanks for this idea

Re: XOOPSinfo.com: Now Online!

JMorris Published 11/26/2006 1:16 XOOPS is my life! Joined 04/11/2004 Comments 2722

@all:

Thanks for the kind remarks.

@JD,

I'm using a cloned version of the original MyLinks (common name: weblinks) module. Is that the module you are referring to?

Best Regards,

James

Re: XOOPSinfo.com: Now Online!

jdseymour Published 11/26/2006 1:22 Friend of XOOPS Joined 11/11/2004 Comments 3782

No not mylinks, see this News article.

Multicategory and integrated rss feeds. Very nice mod. I use it on warpigw2.

Re: XOOPSinfo.com: Now Online!

Mamba Published 11/26/2006 3:45 Moderator Joined 04/23/2004 Comments 11409

And why not having it on the main XOOPS site? This will only cause more de-fragmentation of XOOPS resources. As a XOOPS user I would prefer to have all resources available on the main XOOPS site or on local support sites. This is very unfortunate, in my mind, that you had to go this route instead of finding a way to have it here...

Re: XOOPSinfo.com: Now Online!

metropolis Published 11/26/2006 8:18 Not too shy to talk Joined 07/15/2004 Comments 159

Well, it's a good thing - and it's not.

The good thing is: Somebody has the will to do something against the non-development of the Xoops-site-structure.

The bad thing is (as said in the previous post): Another XOOPS site which holds (should hold / will hold) all the information that Xoops.org should hold.

I also dislike the idea for further fragmentation, but what should you do if nothing really moves forwared on Xoops.org? In this aspect, I like JMorris for being somebody not only to talk but to do something.

Re: XOOPSinfo.com: Now Online!

JMorris Published 11/26/2006 14:55 Updated 11/26/2006 14:57 XOOPS is my life! Joined 04/11/2004 Comments 2722

I'd like to clarify my intentions before this discussion goes in a direction that it doesn't need to.

1. I have no interest in competing with XOOPS.org or any of it's sub-sites. XOOPSinfo is intented to be complimentary to not only the main XOOPS.org sites, but also all developer/designer/service provider sites. By focusing on such a tight nitch of news, downloads, links and promotions, users know exactly what they will get at XOOPSinfo. Even with the proposed seperation of the XOOPS.org sites, I feel there will still be so much information that such announcements will get lost in the mix.

2. It's not out of the question that XOOPS.org may be experiencing heavy loads which slow the site down (support requests, spam bots, etc). Also, as we've seen from XOOPS.org's history, it is a target by hackers that have a personal grudge against the admins of this site. XOOPSinfo will be a site that can

(A) Offload some of the traffic experienced here thereby aiding XOOPS.org in it's uptime.
(B) Is indipendantly owned and operated, therefore has no ties to XOOPS Foundation and *should* be less likely to fall victim to attacks by the people that want to see XOOPS.org fail.

3. I'm actually going to take a big hit on MyWebResource by building XOOPSinfo. Essentially, XOOPSinfo will be built similarly as MWR, but focussing specifically on XOOPS news, downloads, articles, links and tools. I will still continue to develop MWR, but XOOPSinfo will be specific to my CMS of choice.

4. The #1 way to get your site indexed fast on Google is relevant contextual backlinks from sites that have been indexed. I'm betting that through the use of my experience with SEO and Google's SE tools, it will only take a short amount of time (roughly 3 months) before XOOPSinfo ranks high for XOOPS information. This will enable new and existing XOOPS related sites to gain a boost in their SE rank by being linked by both XOOPS.org (already highly indexed) and XOOPSinfo (which I will work very hard to get highly indexed).

5. Many of us know of users who have become inactive on XOOPS.org for various reason (excuses). While I do not wish to get in the middle, I do want ALL XOOPS users to have a neutral ground where they can feel free to keep up with the world of XOOPS as well as contribute their own updates. As hard as all involved have tried to keep personalities out of running the XOOPS.org site, it still happens from time to time and XOOPSinfo provides a neutral ground where personalities are not an issue. Whether someone will be welcome at XOOPSinfo will strictly be based on whether or not they follow the rules. Not what they have or have not done in the past.

6. What harm can another site raising awareness of XOOPS do? Isn't this how Joomla, Drupal, and all the popular CMSs got popular? People spread the word through multiple channels. Another site focusing on presenting the latest and greatest in the XOOPS world and that acts as a live example of XOOPSs flexibility (pay attention to the hacks and tweaks that will be implemented on XOOPSinfo) can only be a good thing, regardless if it does a subset of tasks that the parent XOOPS.org site does.

7. By keeping XOOPSinfo independant from the XOOPS Foundation, I am free to impliment enhancements that either I or the community of users that use XOOPSinfo feel would make the site better, and hopefully in a shorter time frame. With "official" sites, there's a lot more to it. Also, with the "official" site there is a lot more work to do and a lot bigger risks to take. XOOPSinfo does not have these limitations and, therefore, can be much more flexible as a whole.

I hope this clarifies the intention behind XOOPSinfo as well as the goals for the site. It is my sincere hope that XOOPSinfo will be viewed as a genuine resource that compliments ALL XOOPS related sites, not a competitor to ANY XOOPS related sites.

Best Regards,

James

Re: XOOPSinfo.com: Now Online!

damaster Published 11/26/2006 16:09 Updated 11/26/2006 16:10 Just can't stay away Joined 05/11/2003 Comments 556

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1. (...) I feel there will still be so much information that such announcements will get lost in the mix.

2. (...) XOOPS.org's history, it is a target by hackers that have a personal grudge against the admins of this site (...)

(B) Is indipendantly owned and operated, therefore has no ties to XOOPS Foundation

3. (...) XOOPS news, downloads, articles, links and tools.

4. (...) This will enable new and existing XOOPS related sites to gain a boost in their SE rank by being linked by both XOOPS.org (already highly indexed) and XOOPSinfo

5. (...) ALL XOOPS users to have a neutral ground where they can feel free to keep up with the world of XOOPS

6. (...) People spread the word through multiple channels.

7. By keeping XOOPSinfo independant from the XOOPS Foundation, I am free to impliment enhancements that either I or the community of users that use XOOPSinfo feel would make the site better.

So, you plan to plagiarize XOOPS Cube and XOOPS Cube tools!?
I'm kidding.

Sounds good for XOOPS project and seems fair to XOOPS community
all branchs, even plagiarized one's

Wish Xoopsinfo the best!

Re: XOOPSinfo.com: Now Online!

JMorris Published 11/26/2006 16:23 XOOPS is my life! Joined 04/11/2004 Comments 2722

Plagiarize, no. RSS feeds are free for syndication by anyone. Announcements, articles, downloads and links will be used with permission, thus not plagiarized.

I hate plagiarizism and therefore will not condone it. All material will be used within the guidlines of their license and with appropriate credits given.

Yes, I got that you were razing me.

If other "branches" would like to contribute their news and resources, I do not have an objection to this. Much is still shared between branches (like modules, themes and security updates) and therefore I feel it is relevant and welcome.

Best Regards,

James Morris

Re: XOOPSinfo.com: Now Online!

snow77 Published 11/26/2006 17:37 Updated 11/26/2006 17:39 Just can't stay away Joined 07/23/2003 Comments 864

This is great work James! I really like it alot and it's a great complement to XOOPS making the community efforts display in a professional way.

We've got an RSS feed to the articles section of XOOPSinfo at our site, we had also the rss of the articles of mywebresource but it's not producing a feed anymore for this one, it'd be nice to have back the rss for this one too. Thanks.

...mmm about getting other branches involved... I reserve my opinion about this, am a bit radical about this on XOOPS focused sites. Not that I have anything against the others just that the domain name you have along with the focus given to XOOPSinfo... I don't know, it would be a strange mixture.

Anyways, I like what it is now and into what it can become and wish you all the best.

Re: XOOPSinfo.com: Now Online!

JMorris Published 11/26/2006 18:08 Updated 11/26/2006 18:09 XOOPS is my life! Joined 04/11/2004 Comments 2722

snow77,

Thank you for your kind words.

RE: MWRs RSS feeds...

The upgrade to 2.0.16 broke RSS Fit, the module I've been using for publishing my RSS feeds. I'm working on an alternate method of syndicating MWRs content. Keep an eye out on MWR's blog for updates.

RE: Other branches...

You raise a valid point and I will have to consider this more closely. If the majority of XOOPSinfo's users disagree with having information from other "branches" then I will honor their wishes. After all, XOOPSinfo is intended to be a community resource, not my pet project. I will post a blog entry on XOOPSinfo soon asking for feedback on this topic. Please post your thoughts about this there.

Best Regards,

James

Re: XOOPSinfo.com: Now Online!

damaster Published 11/26/2006 18:57 Updated 11/26/2006 19:02 Just can't stay away Joined 05/11/2003 Comments 556

I'll wait for xoopsinfo blog post and hope to finally discuss openly about XOOPS issues, legality and legitimacy, plagiarism, and dev lies - without being censored but with truth respect. It seems that's what the previous quote point out and also why sites like xoopsinfo are created. While that here's a simple draft paper ethics:

http://www.ece.cmu.edu/~koopman/des_s99/ethics/

- Profits and Business Models
- Social and Legal Concerns
- Examples and Resources
Is Lying Wrong? (Or Orderly Dissent)

Re: XOOPSinfo.com: Now Online!

snow77 Published 11/26/2006 19:48 Updated 11/26/2006 19:49 Just can't stay away Joined 07/23/2003 Comments 864

if that's the case for you, better start with:
Beyond Good and Evil by Friedrich Nietzsche

preferably starting from Part One: On the Prejudices of Philosophers

don't take it wrong, just a personal opinion.

Re: XOOPSinfo.com: Now Online!

damaster Published 11/27/2006 0:24 Updated 11/27/2006 0:26 Just can't stay away Joined 05/11/2003 Comments 556

Yes. He also use 'perhaps' as a prejudicial philosopher
But it's a fact that many people prefer untruth!?..
'Perhaps' because that way they can make money from others ignorance.

'Perhaps' open source is also to share knowledge. And 'perhaps' truth set you free.

But what if i clone xoopsdesign themes and release it under a free license?

Would you say it's ethical incorrect?
Good for users who can't code their own theme?
Or 'perhaps'... it's devil?

Don't take it wrong, nothing personal!

Re: XOOPSinfo.com: Now Online!

JMorris Published 11/27/2006 0:32 Updated 11/27/2006 0:37 XOOPS is my life! Joined 04/11/2004 Comments 2722

Please either stay on topic (the announcement of XOOPSinfo going live, NOT the philosophical debate about ethics), or move it to the open discussion forums.

Damaster,

If you are questioning my ethics in building XOOPSinfo, you are welcome to do so, but this is not the time or place. A more appropriate place would be PM or on XOOPSinfo.com. Not XOOPS.org.

If you are questioning the ethics of the Admins of this site, you know where the XOOPS Members Lounge forum is, please start your discussion there. I'm sure there are plenty who would like to debate ethics with you.

Thank you,

James

Re: XOOPSinfo.com: Now Online!

Mamba Published 11/27/2006 7:24 Updated 11/27/2006 18:56 Moderator Joined 04/23/2004 Comments 11409

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Poster: JMorris Posted: 2006/11/26 9:55:03

I'd like to clarify my intentions before this discussion goes in a direction that it doesn't need to.

What comes across from your message is kind of "impatience" with http://www.xoops.org, one which I am also sharing with you. We've been talking for so long about changing the look and feel of the Website, but somehow we're not able to move forward, which is really a shame!

But does the frustration justify another a new Website? The questions in my head is: "if we would fix the management process on the main XOOPS website, would the new Website still be justified?". For example, you state in your original announcement:

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* We believe that keeping up to date with the latest developments in the world of XOOPS should be simple.

Absolutely! But what is simpler than having all the relevant/newest information in one central location ==> http://www.xoops.org?

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* We believe that you should be able to find all the information your need to keep your XOOPS powered site up to date in one place.

EXACTLY! But shouldn't be this "one location" the http://www.xoops.org site?

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* We believe that just because XOOPS code is Open Source, it does not mean that developers, designers, and professional service providers cannot charge a nominal fee for their time and expertise.

No disagreement here. But why not create a special section on http://www.xoops.org for professional developers providing services for money?

Now back to your explanation:

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1. I have no interest in competing with XOOPS.org or any of it's sub-sites. XOOPSinfo is intented to be complimentary to not only the main XOOPS.org sites, but also all developer/designer/service provider sites. By focusing on such a tight nitch of news, downloads, links and promotions, users know exactly what they will get at XOOPSinfo. Even with the proposed seperation of the XOOPS.org sites, I feel there will still be so much information that such announcements will get lost in the mix.

If you are saying that you want a Website for professionals who charge money for development, I could see it as a good reason, even if I still believe that it would be better to have a subsection on the main XOOPS.org site. After all, there are a lot of announcements about services for hire (e.g. Themes).

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2. It's not out of the question that XOOPS.org may be experiencing heavy loads which slow the site down (support requests, spam bots, etc). Also, as we've seen from XOOPS.org's history, it is a target by hackers that have a personal grudge against the admins of this site. XOOPSinfo will be a site that can

(A) Offload some of the traffic experienced here thereby aiding XOOPS.org in it's uptime.
(B) Is indipendantly owned and operated, therefore has no ties to XOOPS Foundation and *should* be less likely to fall victim to attacks by the people that want to see XOOPS.org fail.

If your content is different from the XOOPS.org, then this won't have any impact of the load, because the people who will go to XOOPS.org for specific files, will still go there. If the content is the same, you're competing with XOOPS.org.

Regarding attacks, as bad as they are, they are the best motivator to improve XOOPS and make it safer.

So this point doesn't feel as a good justification for creating a new XOOPS website.

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3. I'm actually going to take a big hit on MyWebResource by building XOOPSinfo. Essentially, XOOPSinfo will be built similarly as MWR, but focussing specifically on XOOPS news, downloads, articles, links and tools. I will still continue to develop MWR, but XOOPSinfo will be specific to my CMS of choice.

All the "XOOPS news, downloads, articles, links and tools" would be better placed on XOOPS.org in a central repository. Why Wikipedia is so popular? Because it's THE central repository. Look from the perspective of a new XOOPS user - instead going to one central Website, he has to scan 10-20 different XOOPS related Websites for information. That's not very user-friendly.

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4. The #1 way to get your site indexed fast on Google is relevant contextual backlinks from sites that have been indexed. I'm betting that through the use of my experience with SEO and Google's SE tools, it will only take a short amount of time (roughly 3 months) before XOOPSinfo ranks high for XOOPS information. This will enable new and existing XOOPS related sites to gain a boost in their SE rank by being linked by both XOOPS.org (already highly indexed) and XOOPSinfo (which I will work very hard to get highly indexed).

To be honest, I don't follow this reason. Why and how would the broad XOOPS Community benefit from the fact that Joe Doe's website is higher ranked? While this might be very important for an individual user, I believe we have more important XOOPS issues than getting higher ranking on Google.

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5. Many of us know of users who have become inactive on XOOPS.org for various reason (excuses). While I do not wish to get in the middle, I do want ALL XOOPS users to have a neutral ground where they can feel free to keep up with the world of XOOPS as well as contribute their own updates. As hard as all involved have tried to keep personalities out of running the XOOPS.org site, it still happens from time to time and XOOPSinfo provides a neutral ground where personalities are not an issue. Whether someone will be welcome at XOOPSinfo will strictly be based on whether or not they follow the rules. Not what they have or have not done in the past.

If two people want to disagree, it will happen on your Website as well. This is question of process management, i.e. having the right moderator to keep it under control. We have to work harder on getting the right people to manage these aspects on XOOPS.org in a professional manner. Creating a different Website doesn't solve it.

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6. What harm can another site raising awareness of XOOPS do? Isn't this how Joomla, Drupal, and all the popular CMSs got popular? People spread the word through multiple channels. Another site focusing on presenting the latest and greatest in the XOOPS world and that acts as a live example of XOOPSs flexibility (pay attention to the hacks and tweaks that will be implemented on XOOPSinfo) can only be a good thing, regardless if it does a subset of tasks that the parent XOOPS.org site does.

That's where you're losing me! If you create a Website with unique content (e.g. one focusing on creating Themes), I could see the value of it. But when you state on the Website:

XOOPSinfo is a site where users can stay up to date on the latest news and announcements regarding XOOPS core developement, modules, themes and services. Our goal is to provide a centralized portal where all XOOPS related information, products, and services can be listed regardless of whether they are free or for a fee.

then I have to wonder: is this not the mission of XOOPS.org? Shouldn't be XOOPS.org the Website where we stay up to date on the latest news and announcements regarding XOOPS?

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7. By keeping XOOPSinfo independant from the XOOPS Foundation, I am free to impliment enhancements that either I or the community of users that use XOOPSinfo feel would make the site better, and hopefully in a shorter time frame. With "official" sites, there's a lot more to it. Also, with the "official" site there is a lot more work to do and a lot bigger risks to take. XOOPSinfo does not have these limitations and, therefore, can be much more flexible as a whole.

Your http://mywebresource.com/ Website is already developed in XOOPS, so it would be a perfect showcase of implementing enhancements and then explaining how it was done. Is there really a need to develop a fully new Website?

James, I really appreciate everything what you've done and are doing for XOOPS! Your Website http://mywebresource.com/ is a great resource! But creating http://xoopsinfo.com/ the way it is being presented/justified, doesn't seem a good idea to me. Let's focus on making XOOPS.org a better Website instead of creating another one for information about XOOPS.

Let's face it - if your goal of providing site where users can stay up to date on the latest news and announcements regarding XOOPS core developement, modules, themes and services is successful, then what will be the role of XOOPS.org? To provide outdated news and announcements?

Right now I see it as a duplication of efforts and defragmentation risk. I hope, you'll redefine your objectives/focus for your new Website, so you can provide something very unique that is not done by anybody else. Something as unique as your excellent http://mywebresource.com/ Website.

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davidl2 Published 11/27/2006 9:26 XOOPS is my life! Joined 05/26/2003 Comments 4843

This news item is about JM's site... further off topic comments will be deleted.

Thank you.

Re: XOOPSinfo.com: Now Online!

hervet Published 11/30/2006 10:24 Friend of XOOPS Joined 11/04/2003 Comments 2267

That's a great initiative James, thanks for it.

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