PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released - Modules - XOOPS News

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

phppp Published 03/05/2005 16:34 XOOPS Contributor Joined 01/25/2004 Comments 2857

Very excellent work.
Have you checked Wfdownloads 2.06 CVS so that nothing important is missing?

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

krobi Published 03/05/2005 16:40 Updated 03/05/2005 16:41 Quite a regular Joined 12/21/2003 Comments 290

our modules are based on wf-downloads 2.05a so we dont checked wf-downloads 2.06. our goal was to publish a as far as possible bug-free version with some nice new features.

all hacks, modiffcations and so on are made by our self.

PD-Downloads now support french

krobi Published 03/05/2005 16:52 Quite a regular Joined 12/21/2003 Comments 290

outch did the french translation - thx

we have just updated the package of pd-download - so now all the french people can use this module also

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

banned Published 03/05/2005 17:37 Not too shy to talk Joined 05/16/2004 Comments 159

In your site - on links/downloads sections - I see something like this on the bottom of the page..

3.459 Seconds | 1237 Queries

It isn't much expensive?

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

krobi Published 03/05/2005 17:48 Quite a regular Joined 12/21/2003 Comments 290

no its not expensive we pay 15 €/month for our webspace with no sql limitations and fair use traffic

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

banned Published 03/05/2005 18:07 Not too shy to talk Joined 05/16/2004 Comments 159

I mean expensive in response time AND server stability..
Every 100 hits on that page and you get about 120000 database queries.
Imagine an Xoops.org (a big one, with two big download sections) website, you think these many queries aren't a waste of resources?

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

krobi Published 03/05/2005 18:12 Updated 03/05/2005 18:17 Quite a regular Joined 12/21/2003 Comments 290

hm i only get 2.49 Seconds | 134 Queries when i go the download-section on our site

so this is really ok - i think its impossible to get around 12.000 or more queries, maybe there is a bug or something in displaying the sql queries

sorry i new saw these 1000 or more queries - as webmaster i dont get so many, as anonymous or normal user yes but hm maybe we will optimize that in a future version

its because the module checks every permissions, for every categorie and every download/links and checks how many downloads/links you set to display/page and so on.

but this is only when you go into the index-page of the modul, when you are in a download/links you only get around 100 queries

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

artigas Published 03/05/2005 18:36 Updated 03/05/2005 18:39 Quite a regular Joined 12/21/2004 Comments 208

Greetings - FYI...

Both install and function under PHP5.

Both run under debug in PHP5 get some undefined constants in the functions.php.

If you look at the menus you will see the undefined items showing as descriptions.

Thank you for the contribution.

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

krobi Published 03/05/2005 18:39 Quite a regular Joined 12/21/2003 Comments 290

oh thats great
we only have php 4 so we couldn't test it but when its run then its perfect.

thx for feedback.

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

artigas Published 03/05/2005 18:44 Quite a regular Joined 12/21/2004 Comments 208

Greetings - FYI...

Using debug PHP5:

In PDDownloads/functions.php:
_AM_PDD_ABOUT undefined in line 691

In PDLinks/functions.php:
_AM_PDD2_MUPLOADS undefined in line 609
_AM_PDD2_MVOTEDATA undefined in line 610

Hope That Helps.

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

krobi Published 03/05/2005 18:51 Quite a regular Joined 12/21/2003 Comments 290

hm thats only language-variables

so no big thing you dont have to care about such php notices

but thx for the feedback every feedback will help

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

mpowell Published 03/05/2005 19:41 Friend of XOOPS Joined 02/10/2004 Comments 119

Can these run together with mydownloads and mylinks?

mpowell

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

krobi Published 03/05/2005 19:57 Quite a regular Joined 12/21/2003 Comments 290

yes no problem you can also run wf-downloads and pd-downloads on the same site.

but when you run the update script then wf-downloads or my-downloads or my-links or weblinks will not work anymore.

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

phppp Published 03/05/2005 20:12 XOOPS Contributor Joined 01/25/2004 Comments 2857

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sorry i new saw these 1000 or more queries - as webmaster i dont get so many, as anonymous or normal user yes but hm maybe we will optimize that in a future version

its because the module checks every permissions, for every categorie and every download/links and checks how many downloads/links you set to display/page and so on.

Great. That's why I asked "Have you checked Wfdownloads 2.06 CVS so that nothing important is missing". It's just my constructive suggestion, do not think too much of the simple sentence.

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

Mithrandir Published 03/05/2005 20:17 XOOPS is my life! Joined 06/21/2003 Comments 6320

Where can one read about the changes in WF-Downloads 2.06 from 2.05a?

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

phppp Published 03/05/2005 20:19 XOOPS Contributor Joined 01/25/2004 Comments 2857

Another personal suggestion:
It would be more appropriate to put this item to xoops_version.php:
$modversion["credits"] = "WFdownloads module developed by Catzwolf, liquid, mercibe ...";

Anyway, it is great to see the acknowlegement in your release not:
This Module is based on the WF-Downloads 2.05a Module.

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

phppp Published 03/05/2005 20:29 XOOPS Contributor Joined 01/25/2004 Comments 2857

Another suggestion: [hope no more suggestion ]
Remove some images from the package before Scott and his design group members seeing them.

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

krobi Published 03/05/2005 20:37 Quite a regular Joined 12/21/2003 Comments 290

regarding symbols/icons
all the icons are from wf-downloads so it up to the wf-downloads team we say its based on the wf-downloads so its not our thing.

the categorie and link icon is done by our self.

regarding the sql thing
when this is the only thing you find then we did a great work, my person note is i dont care about sql the main thing is that the modules should work without problems and they do it.

no user on the whole would will care about sql, they care about the usability - i dont want to talk about all the wf-downloads bugs.

so we worked on this two modules on a team with two persons! and we are no php profis, thats our first public project - so every user here can buid is own opinion about that.

its always easy make work bad, its harder to make it better.

PD-Links now supports french

krobi Published 03/05/2005 20:40 Quite a regular Joined 12/21/2003 Comments 290

outch did the french translation of pd-links.

so every french user can now also use pd-links, simple redownload the modul.

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

Published 03/05/2005 21:24 Updated 03/05/2005 21:25 Joined Comments

@Mith:

The changes from 205 to 206 have not been logged yet, we where actually doing some minute tests etc and where hoping for a release date this week.

@Krobi:

PHPPP Is part of the WF-Projects team and the images used are copyright to Xpider (WF-Project Team Member), So I would suggest contacting him and asking for his permission.

Scott

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

rowdie Published 03/05/2005 21:26 Just can't stay away Joined 07/21/2004 Comments 846

It is very very important that module developers care about sql queries. If your module has too many it will slow down a site or could crash a server. It can certainly lead to the site being closed down by the server admin, as you can read about in many posts here at xoops.org.

I'm not saying your module has too many sql queries, just that it is something that module developers need to think about. I found it a bit concerning when you said you didn't care.

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

Mithrandir Published 03/05/2005 21:31 XOOPS is my life! Joined 06/21/2003 Comments 6320

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all the icons are from wf-downloads so it up to the wf-downloads team we say its based on the wf-downloads so its not our thing.

If the icons are made by the WF team and are copyrighted by the WF team, they also have the right to deny you using them for derived works. I do hope they will not object to you using it, but asking permission would be the decent thing to do.

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regarding the sql thing
when this is the only thing you find then we did a great work, my person note is i dont care about sql the main thing is that the modules should work without problems and they do it.

no user on the whole would will care about sql, they care about the usability - i dont want to talk about all the wf-downloads bugs.

I acknowledge the work you have done and trust that you have done well with flushing out bugs in WF-Downloads.

However, the common user might not care too much about the amount of queries, but it is extremely important for a site like e.g. xoops.org
We had to take down SmartFAQ and work with Marcan to reduce the server load before we could go online with the XOOPS FAQ section because of an enormous amount of SQL queries generated by the module.

Usability is good and important, but so is scalability if it is to be of use to other than hobby sites with limited traffic. Users don't like slow sites either.

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its always easy make work bad, its harder to make it better.

And it is difficult to make it really good, but there is usually room for improvements once the foundation is laid.
Congratulations on your first public project and I hope you will continue perfecting your work.

Feel free to start a project on dev.xoops.org and benefit from sharing your troubles and developments with the XOOPS developer community for mutual gain.

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

artigas Published 03/05/2005 21:34 Updated 03/05/2005 21:37 Quite a regular Joined 12/21/2004 Comments 208

Greetings -

The undefined constants are not a big deal, I can correct the errors myself, but they do show up as menu items in the admin section.

I was just mentioning it so you can make the corrections on your sources and when you do the next release these errors will not show up.

I was not complaining, it is just a very minor thing in a very usefull module release.

Regards,
Roberto Artigas

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

Mithrandir Published 03/05/2005 21:34 XOOPS is my life! Joined 06/21/2003 Comments 6320

Last note of constructive criticism is not to neglect debug messages just because they are notices or insignificant to an otherwise working module.

When a user has a problem with a module and turns on debugging, it can cloud the real problem to see these messages.

In my opinion, modules should not throw any errors with normal, correct use, unless it is caused by special server configurations that the module developer could not take into account when developing.

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

krobi Published 03/05/2005 21:43 Updated 03/05/2005 21:45 Quite a regular Joined 12/21/2003 Comments 290

regarding image copyright
hm where do i see that the image has a copyright?
we dont saw any copyright on the image, we dont find any hint about this.

@wf-project
feel free to forbid us to use your symbols, we will then change all the icons - thats no problem.

i dont want to know where are the icons originale from.

reagarding sql
@Mithrandir thats my optionion first you need a foundation - so now we have this foundation and we will work on this and any other thing (if there will be some).

regarding php notices
@mithrandir you are right, you also know thats its hard to fix the all (or as many bugs) from wf-downloads - so this was the first thing we did, then we started to changed some function.

we will work on this and any other things for the next version

maybe mithrandir you can help us with reducing this sql queries

ps: sorry for the high sql queries we didn't see that issue in the test-phase

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

Mithrandir Published 03/05/2005 22:09 XOOPS is my life! Joined 06/21/2003 Comments 6320

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hm where do i see that the image has a copyright?
we dont saw any copyright on the image, we dont find any hint about this.

The Berne Convenction (summary) says that all artistic and literary work is implicitly copyrighted by the author. However, it seems that all phppp and Scott would like you to do is ask for permission, which I think is fair enough.

I'm happy to read that you will look into the query count as I understand that this is the first work (and WF-D 2.05 is by no means easy on the queries in the first place) - I just got concerned when you said that you didn't care about it.

For how to accomplish it, I'd recommend looking at modules such as SmartFAQ and AMS as I have done a considerable work on reducing the query count in those modules. Also, I wrote this Thread about the query count in WF-Downloads and WF-Sections (general terms mainly, but the approach can be adopted regardless)

Generally you should avoid having the amount of queries increase when the amount of content increases (queries within loops) but instead find out which information you need and get it all in one go (e.g. instead of querying for the username for each download, extract all the user ids needed and fetch them in one single SQL query)

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

krobi Published 03/05/2005 22:30 Quite a regular Joined 12/21/2003 Comments 290

regarding sql queries
this was a problem from wf-downloads 2.05a we have now looked into the acutally newlist.php from the cvs and this one is optimized

so we will release very soon a new optimizated version of pd-downloads and pd-links

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

Published 03/05/2005 22:34 Joined Comments

You mean from our CVS or you're one?

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

Bender Published 03/05/2005 22:40 Home away from home Joined 03/10/2003 Comments 1899

Krobi would it have hurt to talk to us in the first place?

I am not talking about it being legit what you do or not because it is under gpl. However it would have been nice to talk to us before ...

I consider it very rude behavior against those who created wf-d over time how credits have been wiped except for the based on wf-d 2.05 note.

By the way ... when you create the new package maybe you should consider throwing the gpl license into the package because you also removed that which actually is not legit but i guess that was no intentional act.

a little disapointed,
Bender

Serious question: Can we expect any other PD versions of any wf-modules in the near future?

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

krobi Published 03/05/2005 22:48 Quite a regular Joined 12/21/2003 Comments 290

@wfsection: from your cvs my cvs is my own harddisc so thx for the optimization

@bender: could you please tell me what gpl license i have removed? so i can take into the next version. so sorry for removing it wasn't Intention. its also the same for the pictures we dont thought about the pictures thing - so sorry i hope that you understand - also no Intention.

reagarding your question
hm in the extremly near future not, but we are thinking about a mod of the next wf-section module.

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

banned Published 03/05/2005 22:49 Updated 03/05/2005 22:50 Not too shy to talk Joined 05/16/2004 Comments 159

Regarding the sql queries,
In the index page you make three queries for each catergory, subcatergory and file/link.
I think that your permissions check for the files/links who aren't visible on the index are a little useless

P.S. Don't misurestanding my words, you've made a very good work for your first public project. :)

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

Published 03/05/2005 22:58 Joined Comments

Well Krobi, just to let you know that there are two sides to a coin, what you don't know is that we will use your hacks in our code along with our own work and the new ideas that we have been working on that we have not submitted to CVS.

If this how people from XOOPS are going to conduct themselves then maybe we at WF-Projects should think twice about supporting XOOPS from now on.

I personally think Krobi that your actions regarding talking unreleased code and 'stealing' it is disgusting. At least wait until we rlease it before you use our code.

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

krobi Published 03/05/2005 22:58 Quite a regular Joined 12/21/2003 Comments 290

its no problem, we dont saw the sql problem.

we are currently working on the sql-fixes version, i think we will release this version very very soon.

i only need to know the licence thing from bender so i can also add this into the next package.

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

krobi Published 03/05/2005 23:07 Quite a regular Joined 12/21/2003 Comments 290

@wfsection: think about what you said. we dont steal anything - its open-source so everybody can take what he wants.

we all know the bugs from wf-downloads and you didn't fixed it until now, why should we wait forever?

and also i dont understand why you dont support us or our work? we want simple want to give the community something back but when you think its bad we will stop this and will only do modules for our own and not for the public.

but then you need to speak to the people who likes our modules and explain the people why you leave them with many bugs over 1 year without a fix or hot-fix and why you wanted that we stop our work for the public.

sql-queries fixed

krobi Published 03/05/2005 23:20 Quite a regular Joined 12/21/2003 Comments 290

so for all the people who supports us

we have updated our package with the sql optimization from the wf-projects team, specially thx to them.

so please re-download the package.

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

Published 03/05/2005 23:21 Updated 03/05/2005 23:23 Joined Comments

@Krobi:

Please read the gpl on this matter. The code you have taken was not released and we never gave you permission to actually use it.

Next point, You are free to use the code from 2.05 as you wish and thats part of public domain.

We already asked you if you wished to join us and help build a better module for all concerned but you chose another path, fine.

As the last release date for WF-Downloads, I think it was late june or july, hardly a year but I agree its been two long.

Difference is that we are currently working on around 10 different module at the moment and WF-Downloads did not have a lead developer for about 3 months.

But we will make sure it never happens again.

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

Bender Published 03/05/2005 23:29 Home away from home Joined 03/10/2003 Comments 1899

Krobi do you really need me to tell you that you can find that file in the wf-d 2.05 archive?
It´s named license.txt ... but make sure you get the right one thats talking about gpl.

More?

- gpl license.txt is missing from pd-links too
- you like your PD in uppercase letters thats fine but i would suggest not using it in module directory or file names. See other modules ... there is a reason why all the others use lowercase.
- PD-Links also has totally stripped credits

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and why you wanted that we stop our work for the public.

What makes you think that the answer would have been a "no" instead of a different offer? Actually it would have been a very good point in time if you would have contacted us at some point over the last few months and i am sure the community would have very much profited from that decision.

Now there will be two different versions with different db structure which is actually a waste of resources.

Sidenote to those who use the update script and change their db structure to PD-Downloads. You will not be able to update to wf-downloads 2.06 from that afterwards.

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

krobi Published 03/05/2005 23:36 Quite a regular Joined 12/21/2003 Comments 290

sorry when we did thinks that are not allowed, but its not exactly the same file so i think we can argue about that issue.

my option is, we all want to support the community and we (power-dreams) had a idea of doing a modded version of wf-downloads and also wanted a wf-links module.

we started then to make this mod for our own, because we dont need all the features that wf-downloads provide us, during the modification we though there are many people who wants also this mod - so we decided to publish it, we never though about licence or image think or somthing simelar, we only want to support the community.

about pd-links
we had the idea to create a links modul of the wf-downloads so this is the reason and then we also though we could release it because there is no modern links modul. at this moment weblinks was not released.

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

krobi Published 03/05/2005 23:42 Quite a regular Joined 12/21/2003 Comments 290

i know you dont like our work, fine.

you see in your and wfsections comments that you dont understand our work.

we dont have ALL YOUR FEATURES! because we though many users dont need them, so i think there where no way to make a wf-downloads modul with less features that would be no wf-downloads.

is really sad to see that you do all you can to destroy our work

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

Bender Published 03/05/2005 23:51 Updated 03/05/2005 23:56 Home away from home Joined 03/10/2003 Comments 1899

Krobi:

I think you miss the point. There is nothing wrong about what you are doing in regards to building a link module out of wf-downloads for example. I like the idea and i think of it as a good thing.
Also there is no issue with fixing the module for yourself as the download module.

This is all about the way how you do it.

Forking of wf-downloads and then publishing it without even thinking about talking to the people who currently develop it is just not polite.
Removing the credits even worse. Nothing more nothing less.

I don´t think this is about destroying anything. As anyone who wants those features you implemented will use your version and who doesn´t want them will not. People will have the choice and decide for themself what they use.

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

Published 03/05/2005 23:59 Updated 03/06/2005 0:00 Joined Comments

@Krobi:

The issue is not about whether we like it that you 'stole?' our work or we don't like your work. As I have already stated to you, your quite within your rights to take wf-downloads 2.0.5 and with it what ever you like.

But, it is only common courtesy while in a open source development community to ask first. We have never stated that WF-Downloads was a dead project, it never has been and while I am in charge of the WF-Project team, it never will be.

If you had contacted us regarding this matter, we would have told you that we are 'active' with this modules development and we have done a lot more work to this module than first meets the eye.

Everything that you have done bug wise, we have already fixed and much more. We have added many new features that maybe apparent and some that will not at first.

The sad fact is that you chose to work against us on this, we would more than happy to have given you access to all our resources and help with the development. So in reality, you have gone against the spirit of the open source, not us.

Scott

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

krobi Published 03/06/2005 0:10 Updated 03/06/2005 0:16 Quite a regular Joined 12/21/2003 Comments 290

we are not working again anybody.

we only want to do our own work, we also learned much by this work so far. i also send you a pm where i ask you about a co-operation for a future modul there is no respond.

so its ok, but dont talk to me when we will release it (anytime in the future) - we want to work with you but we have sometimes other views about thinks.

i dont want to talk about this think in the public, you have great developers in your team.

i think you should think about our modules in another way, its more a compliment about your module that is a good base for our work.

when you want to talk about this issue or to talk to me about future things please write me a mail and please let stop us this discusing here

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

krobi Published 03/06/2005 2:38 Quite a regular Joined 12/21/2003 Comments 290

i did a little change in the xoops_version to end this conflict.

sorry for the credit thing
now in the credits of pd-downlodas you will see "PD-Downloads is based on the original WF-downloads Module" and in pd-links you will see "PD-Links is based on the original WF-downloads Module"

for example in wf-downloads is that "WF-Project Team: Modifications by Catzwolf. Based on the original Mydownloads Module"

we are doing our work and when you all want we will provide you with new modules in the future, sorry for the conflict it wasn't intended (beabsichtigt).

i hope the conflict is now over, i also hope you all like our moduls and our work.

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

Mithrandir Published 03/06/2005 10:30 XOOPS is my life! Joined 06/21/2003 Comments 6320

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WFSection wrote:
The code you have taken was not released and we never gave you permission to actually use it.

I generally agree with your points about courtesy and removing credits (the latter being a big no-no) but by placing your code on a publicly available CVS for anyone to take a look at is in my opinion releasing the code. "Releasing" in the sense of "making available to the public"

Someone forking an existing project is always disappointing when the result might have been better by working together in one development team. However, from what I can see, you say that you are adding features to WF-Downloads where Krobi is removing the less needed ones and streamlining the module... You are going in two different directions and maybe that is not a bad thing for the community to have a choice of simplicity vs features

So:
Not giving credits : Bad thing (but corrected now)
Not contacting you : Inpolite (but there was a PM? Could have gone further with the process, though)
"Stealing code" : Didn't happen in my eyes

Keep up the good work, all.

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

tzvook Published 03/06/2005 10:39 Just can't stay away Joined 02/01/2003 Comments 875

Can I ask something without getting an arrow @ my head
Did you solved the "Alphabetic thingy" problem ?
( https://xoops.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=32229&forum=4&post_id=141999#forumpost141999 )
still no ideas about it, and I hope one of you got it ....
Your help is really needed here .

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

Shine Published 03/06/2005 11:32 Just can't stay away Joined 07/22/2002 Comments 822

Take a look at: http://www.power-dreams.com/xoops/modules/PDdownloads/
So you can see and test for yourself.

Btw.: it is a pitty there is so much 'fuss' and talk about stealing considering this fork. I love to see an in between download module. The standard Mydownloads module lacks some features, but the wf-downloads is way to advanced. I think this pddownload-module is a great opportunity for those users who need download/category permissionsettings but do not the many extra features of the wfdownloads.

Grtz., Shine

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

krobi Published 03/06/2005 15:14 Quite a regular Joined 12/21/2003 Comments 290

i dont understand the problem - sorry.
and in the thread i dont see anything about wf-downlodas or pd-downloads - could you explain you problem please again

or try it on our site

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

tzvook Published 03/06/2005 21:07 Just can't stay away Joined 02/01/2003 Comments 875

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i dont understand the problem - sorry.
and in the thread i dont see anything about wf-downlodas or pd-downloads

It's the letters() function that is used to do an alphabetic search in the WFdownloads modules (some modules adapted it) - but it acts weirdly (as reported by the WFteam too) and sometimes sorts a+b+c+d as "a" .....
It looks that on your site it works o.k. , did you touched the function ?

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

krobi Published 03/07/2005 13:06 Quite a regular Joined 12/21/2003 Comments 290

thx for that suggestion

we are working in that and other filtering bugs - we have checked the bug and its also here, sorry.

but we havent noticed this during developing, but we will provide a fix for that.

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

karedokx Published 03/07/2005 19:44 Quite a regular Joined 07/01/2004 Comments 319

Quote:

PD-Downloads 1.0
This Module is based on the WF-Downloads 2.05a Module.
We have fixed many bugs and deleted some features, on the other hand we have some interesting new features in it.

For the spirit of supporting each others (so we can achieve a better community/result), IMHO it would be great and better if the bug fixes can be feeded back to wf-downloads team (featuring a new module with the bug fixes as the 'main features' i think is not good. i do hope it's not the intention). Introducing a stripped down (and even new features) are great. The news I think should probably be: This module is based on the WF-download 2.05a. We have introduced a simplified version of wf-download and added some interesting new features to it. Some bug fixes (existing in the wf-downloads 2.05a) have also been applied and shared with the wf-projects team.

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regarding sql queries
this was a problem from wf-downloads 2.05a we have now looked into the acutally newlist.php from the cvs and this one is optimized

so we will release very soon a new optimizated version of pd-downloads and pd-links

respecting each other works and giving credit to the ones entitled for it, once again IMHO is really required. it would be better i think if we say: "i found that wf-projects team has (done a great job of

) optimized the wf-downloads in its latest release/cvs, i will incorporate this optimization in the next release of pd-download. once again i do hope it's only caused by a language limitation.

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Wheeler Published 03/08/2005 3:22 Not too shy to talk Joined 10/29/2004 Comments 145

Scott, WF-Sections,
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If you had contacted us regarding this matter, we would have told you that we are 'active' with this modules development and we have done a lot more work to this module than first meets the eye.

Everything that you have done bug wise, we have already fixed and much more. We have added many new features that maybe apparent and some that will not at first.

I, also, have been doing work on WF=Downloads to suit my own needs (including bugfixes).

I was going to send the WF-Team all my work when I was finished. But you're right scott, I should have contacted you guys first. What a waste of time I have created. Even after Bender offered me wf support in reguards to another project, I should have figured this one out. Another learning experience!

@tzvook and all,
I think I have fixed this alphabet menu issue. Why not post it here for all to see? Just let me gather my notes and I'll be right back.

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Wheeler Published 03/08/2005 4:51 Not too shy to talk Joined 10/29/2004 Comments 145

Here it is, I hope this helps everybody.
Alphabetical Order Bugfix

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Abishai Published 03/10/2005 1:50 Just popping in Joined 10/27/2003 Comments 21

Thank you very much for the bug fixes (which have been there there for about 6 months as someone mentioned) and the slimming of the packages. Please keep the great work!

Once again thank you for doing something others had not (for whatever reasons) and made a product better.

Keep up the great work!

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

seth_sd Published 03/10/2005 5:45 Friend of XOOPS Joined 11/09/2004 Comments 158

@Krobi

Nice job...taking the lead and taking care of business is the way to go. I applaud your efforts to simplify and put something together that works for yourself and the community....nothin' wrong with that.

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

xpider Published 03/10/2005 19:55 Updated 03/10/2005 20:02 Not too shy to talk Joined 05/09/2004 Comments 150

I noticed the conversation of graphics in wf-downloads being used in this project of yours.

The graphics contained in the module were created by me for wf-projects including the animated disk still found on your site. WF-Projects are the only ones that have my permission for there use.

If anyone would like me to create graphics for them in the future just ask.

As far as the module itself and your renaming of it this is beyond me but I'm sure you could have just come and joined the team if you wanted to get involved. It's not like it's hard to join the wf-projects team.

I do understand also that it has been some time since anything has been released for this module but you still should have contacted WF in my opinion.

One more thing shouldn't this be under wf-downloads hacks and not pd-downloads?

Just my 2 cents...

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

Abishai Published 03/11/2005 1:49 Just popping in Joined 10/27/2003 Comments 21

I so wished that sulking stopped already. Was wf-downloads really coded from nil? I don't think so. So do you put wf-downloads as a hack of whatever it came from? Do you have credits for every snippet of code you "borrowed" from someone else? Have a look at Mith's comment above. I agree with that.

And xpider, I certainly hope you have never used any image from someone else without asking, even the ones you modified, and now call yours.

Please, if your attitude doesn't change I'm sure you can get a really good job at Micro$oft, if you know what I mean.

Just my 2 cents... (hmmm... do I have to ask to use that phrase??)

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

xpider Published 03/11/2005 2:30 Not too shy to talk Joined 05/09/2004 Comments 150

I was not trying to sulk nor do I want to keep any arguments going in this thread. And had I not been accused of being a thief just now I would have left it alone.

I am not trying to bash pd for doing what they did I simply stated that it could have been handled differently. As I stated a new release had not been put out for a long time and I understood what they did but just not how it was done. My hat is off to them for taking the time to try and make any module better for the community.

Please remember I do not speak for WF I simply was putting in my opinion for what I thought was wrong. I apologize to anyone who got offended by my post.

And as far as I know Catz is still first on the list for credit and the name has not changed. And as far as the theft of graphics the only thing remotely a copy was the shitty stars for ratings that i somewhat copied and they are being replaced right now. I do not steal graphics and I called no one a thief as far as I know.

Say what you will in the future I will not get involved in a life long argument in an internet forum. Please feel free to delete my posts at anytime it is obviously a waiste of space on this thread. Which I'm sure Abishai will agree or share with you all shortly.

Been a long time since I've been around and somehow I've now become part of what I don't like about this place. Sorry if I upset anyone else.

Now you got me sounded like a babling old hag, Thanks for your 2 cents Abishai
(oh and I believe the copyright for that phrase has long since expired)

Again Sorry,

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Published 03/11/2005 3:01 Updated 03/11/2005 3:03 Joined Comments

If you also look at miths statement above you will also see he stated that using copyrighted images is a 'no no'.

I personally do not give a 'toss' if they actually take everyone one of our modules and release them, that as I have said is the pissy nature of open source. I also stated that we are 'developing this module and yes we know how long that it has taken and we regret that, but to go into someones else's CVS (I'm sure the XOOPS core would love it if we did that to them) and then claim to 'have fixed the issue' is nothing more than dis-repectfull to us.

The short and curly of the story is this, judge us not be the length of time it has taken us but on the actual work we have done to this module.

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krobi Published 03/11/2005 13:00 Updated 03/11/2005 13:11 Quite a regular Joined 12/21/2003 Comments 290

hey wfsection thats enough

think about what we did and look at our module and then compare to that what you have on you *peep* cvs.

we have only taken the newlist.php from your cvs and the only reason why was the high queries.

and all other thing was done by our self!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and is not in anyway done by the wf-project team, i mean all the modifications and ALL bug-fixes!!

and i told you that you please stop talking bad about us, this is not fair - we are also not talking bad about your work and you know how many bugs you have in wf-downloads.

there is nothing illegal by taking files from a public cvs! and i dont see any copyright on any pictures, did you see any copyright in the pictures? so every person could say thats his/her pictures - and how do you want to prove that this pictures are only for you and specially done for you? and that they have a copyright in any way?

we think that your team is only insulted that we published a modded modul of your wf-downloads and that we have fixed nearly all bugs and that we was faster than your team.

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karedokx Published 03/11/2005 15:40 Updated 03/11/2005 15:41 Quite a regular Joined 07/01/2004 Comments 319

hi krobi,
i don't think the wf-teams have ever talked a bad thing about you/your works. if you read through the whole comments they have been posted, i think they have been very supportive (even the first post congratulating you on your work is coming from the wf-team personnel itself).

however, there are several points they have proposed which i believe to improve our works as a team (and at the end for the best for all of us here the xoopsters ).

i have also posted a comment previously in this thread which encourage all of us to work better as a team, respect each other, and give people the credit they deserve to have. hopefully by doing this we can improve XOOPS even more.

note: oot, hey it is my 200th posts

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xpider Published 03/11/2005 16:29 Not too shy to talk Joined 05/09/2004 Comments 150

WOW!

How did I become a thief and a liar by simply placing my opinion on this thread? I will not continue trying to defend myself on this forum. I have done nothing to be bashed like I have.

karedokx I thank you for catching the point behind what is being said.

TEAMWORK COMMUNITY CREDIT

If it weren't for karedokx's last post I believe I would have left a long nasty post and just stayed away from XOOPS entirely.

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artigas Published 03/11/2005 17:03 Quite a regular Joined 12/21/2004 Comments 208

Greetings - PHP5 Debug...

Warning [PHP]: array_intersect() [d:\apache2triad\php\manual\function.array-intersect.html]: Argument #1 is not an array in file D:\apache2triad\htdocs\modules\PDdownloads\xoops_version.php line 78
Warning [PHP]: array_intersect() [d:\apache2triad\php\manual\function.array-intersect.html]: Argument #1 is not an array in file D:\apache2triad\htdocs\modules\PDlinks\xoops_version.php line 77

Hope That Helps.

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

Bender Published 03/11/2005 17:40 Home away from home Joined 03/10/2003 Comments 1899

Hmmm and i thought this would be over ...

Ok turning some oil into the fire with a posting of the kind "i haven´t really read the other postings but want to say something too" i guess abishai started it over again.

Krobi,

just be aware that this discussion would have been over but:

The latest posting from wfsection was triggered by the posting of Abishai who showed clearly he was not really reading the postings before. (if you really think we talk bad about your work then please quote me line)

But thats not what i am looking at. What I find a little disturbing is the attitude you display towards the legal aspect. You have been made aware of the image situation in page two of all these comments already which was 6 (six) days ago. You released an updated package in between and they were still in. And if you reread those hints you will find no agressive touch to them. You have been given a source of information by mith as to why they are copyrighted you have been informed by the creator that they were solely for the wf release now.

I have taken the time to reread several postings now and i think some sensual wording was used to tell about this thing several times (despite the fact that "yes we are upset/angry/whatever").

Look at xpiders posting. He basicly offered you to create some different ones for you ... after the line where he told you that those currently in use were for the wf release only. But instead of listening you go saying "i don´t see any copyright on them".
He was not using any agressive wording at all but instead just pointing out which is his really within his rights.

Already when i reminded you that you forgot the gpl license files on your packages (glad you took my advice) it was about a legal aspect.

While i can very much understand that you feel stepped on your toes and are angry you could already have made this argument non existent by changing the image in question.

You are asking us to respect your work ... well so do we ask you to respect the work of one of our teammates at least and we started asking for that at the beginning of this discussion already.

I sincerely hope this will be my last comment on this matter as there are better things to spend time on.

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

krobi Published 03/11/2005 19:14 Quite a regular Joined 12/21/2003 Comments 290

please tell us what picture are copyrighted by the wf-project team - please tell as the file-names so we can change this in our next release.

we only know from this downloading icon - is this the only one? we only know about that downloading icon, a simple mail had also done this instead to discuss this in the public.

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

xpider Published 03/11/2005 20:10 Not too shy to talk Joined 05/09/2004 Comments 150

DONE... THE END...

Thank You KROBI =)

As stated in the PM let me know if you need images and I'll see what I can do.

Xpider

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

EdStacey Published 03/13/2005 13:35 Just popping in Joined 11/09/2004 Comments 36

I dunno either, get the same sorta error when installing. Also when trying to visit a link I get some kind of error in visit.php, but it flashes so quick I can't write it down.. something on line 22.

Warning [Xoops]: Smarty error: unable to read resource: "db:PDlinks_newlistindex.html" in file D:\hshome\estacey\skilltechcomputers.com\class\smarty\Smarty.class.php line 1084
Warning [PHP]: array_intersect(): Argument #1 is not an array in file D:\hshome\estacey\skilltechcomputers.com\modules\PDlinks\xoops_version.php line 77
Warning [PHP]: array_intersect(): Argument #1 is not an array in file D:\hshome\estacey\skilltechcomputers.com\modules\PDlinks\xoops_version.php line 77

Back to Good Ole Weblinks for me..

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

krobi Published 03/13/2005 14:49 Quite a regular Joined 12/21/2003 Comments 290

you dont have to be confused about php noticed - as far as the module work there not necessary

i know when you visit a link with pd-links you will get a php notice but the links is counted and the link will be opened - so the module works.

the smarty error will be fixed in the next version, but it works also so.

what ERROR do you get??? we only get 2-3 php warning - error and warnings are to completly differend things.

be sure that we will look into that issue and we will try to fix as many php warnings as possible.

but please unterstand that php warning say nothing and do not disturb the function of the module in any way.

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

giba Published 03/15/2005 19:58 Just can't stay away Joined 04/26/2003 Comments 638

Customizations for module pd-downloads and wf-downloads :

To correct and customizations

Credits ( Wf-projetcts and Pd-downloads )

Giba
http://www.xoops.net.br

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

sadistiko Published 03/26/2005 11:01 Friend of XOOPS Joined 12/13/2004 Comments 477

I also get IPB Warning (only when I go to IPB forum module)

IPB WARNING [2] array_intersect(): Argument #1 is not an array (Line: 78 of /home/adpgroup/public_html/2k3/modules/PDdownloads/xoops_version.php)

I hope, you'll solve this in time. I don't like to get some warnings on my site.

Re: PD-Downloads & PD-Links 1.0 Released

krobi Published 03/26/2005 11:19 Quite a regular Joined 12/21/2003 Comments 290

oh thx for that report

we couldnt test it with ipb because we use the newbb - sorry for that bug.

we will work on this and many other things for the next version - be sure there will be a next version

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