Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status - XOOPS - XOOPS News

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riosoft Published 10/25/2007 15:01 Not too shy to talk Joined 11/08/2003 Comments 191

Creating mirror...

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sailjapan Published 10/25/2007 16:28 Moderator Joined 11/16/2005 Comments 1672

admins don't have adequate access?? Who does?

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siweb Published 10/25/2007 17:02 Not too shy to talk Joined 05/02/2004 Comments 150

root

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Marco Published 10/25/2007 20:28 Updated 10/25/2007 20:38 Home away from home Joined 03/15/2004 Comments 1256

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admins don't have adequate access?? Who does?

those who hacked the d.x.o and opened xoopsaddons the same day !!!
they are not honest enough to act fairly.
who keeps the key like a kid ? the foundation.
is it an open behavior ? no, definitively not.
i don't think we can find such attitudes in a Prince2 best practices certification ! what a mess for those !
definitely not trusted persons.
if they were, why do they block the situation ?
please dissolve the foundation toy, they are not able to manage it ! and they steal members money and XOOPS opensource spirit.

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Herko Published 10/25/2007 20:51 XOOPS is my life! Joined 02/04/2002 Comments 4238

1. JDSeymour has root access to the servers, and has looked into dev.x.o, according to this post. So the server admin _does_ have proper access.

2. Marco: get a life. The site was hacked by an Iranian hacker, who destroyed many peoples hard work. Don't use every fart blown in your general direction as an excuse to showcase your personal delusions and slanderous and baseless accusations.

3. dev.xoops.org is old legacy code, therefore fragile. Reopening will definitely not guarantee this will not happen again.

Herko

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vaughan Published 10/25/2007 20:53 Friend of XOOPS Joined 11/26/2005 Comments 680

marco you really are a pathetic little boy.

so now you're accusing us of hacking? where the hell do you get off your high horse?

for starters, Xi is on the new servers, d.x.o is on the old servers.. we don't have access to the old server. we only have access to xi account & xoopsaddons account.

i'm fed up of your accusations now, either STFU or post your evidence. if you haven't got any evidence of your accusations then STFU.

now i know you'll just disregard all this because you have ur head up your ass too much.

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Marco Published 10/25/2007 21:23 Updated 10/25/2007 21:31 Home away from home Joined 03/15/2004 Comments 1256

lol guys,
you're incredible!

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vaughan Published 10/25/2007 21:28 Friend of XOOPS Joined 11/26/2005 Comments 680

we did read the post.. and i read your post too, and i replied to your false & liableous accusation!!!

herko also replied to your false liableous accusation.

herko also replied to the post with his response to the question of who has access etc.

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1. JDSeymour has root access to the servers, and has looked into dev.x.o, according to this post. So the server admin _does_ have proper access.

there you go, jdseymour has all the access required, he has also investigated the hacking, so stop with your childish accusations.

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Marco Published 10/25/2007 21:42 Updated 10/25/2007 21:50 Home away from home Joined 03/15/2004 Comments 1256

you're still incredible vaughan/monty/etc.
it's a fact xoopsaddons opening and d.x.o hacking were made the same day. a huge coincidence.
the good thing with all of you is that we are laughing even more day after day.

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davidl2 Published 10/25/2007 21:53 Updated 10/26/2007 3:08 XOOPS is my life! Joined 05/26/2003 Comments 4843

And I am extremely insulted that you attack both myself, and the work of ALL the Addons team, with this sort of nonsense.

If you could be bothered to look - you will have known that the release date for XOOPSAddons has been availabled on XOOPSInfo for over a fortnight...

And I really suppose I'm going to want other users who can't access downloads because the sites disabled for the fun of it, eh?

Why do I bother????

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vaughan Published 10/25/2007 21:57 Friend of XOOPS Joined 11/26/2005 Comments 680

yes and so are we marco..

coincidence, dxo was hacked by a well known iranian hacking group, you're just trying to stir up crap.

and besides that fact, addons is a repository, it is NOT a developers site, so why on earth you are tying the 2 together as though addons is a competitor or replacement for d.x.o i can't imagine.. maybe you should explain the correlation between d.x.o & addons? because the 2 sitesd are completely different in nature.

DJ has the keys & DaveL also has the keys. JDSeymour gave them to dj & davel a long time ago, they have full root access to the dev.xoops server. so why DJ has said he hasn't i don't know.. ASK HIM!!

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phppp Published 10/25/2007 22:51 XOOPS Contributor Joined 01/25/2004 Comments 2857

"Poster: Herko Posted: 2007/10/25 16:51:36

1. "JDSeymour has root access to the servers"
-- Are you sure you have confirmed what you are saying before posting?

2 "So the server admin _does_ have proper access."
-- Do you know what "proper access" is for server admin?

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phppp Published 10/25/2007 23:08 XOOPS Contributor Joined 01/25/2004 Comments 2857

I reconfirmed with server administrators: they had lost their root access.

I hope the Foundation, who current holds the severs can solve the problem as soon as possible.

Solving the problem is more important than posting here.

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davidl2 Published 10/25/2007 23:11 Updated 10/26/2007 3:07 XOOPS is my life! Joined 05/26/2003 Comments 4843

A public appology for Marco's comments to members of the Addons team is also important.

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davidl2 Published 10/25/2007 23:15 XOOPS is my life! Joined 05/26/2003 Comments 4843

How to behave on the XOOPS.org websites

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Language - Do not use offensive language. We are here for people of all ages, and want everone to feel comfortable. Offensive language constitutes as profanity, racial, ethnic, and gender based insults or any other personal discriminations, and posts meant to offend or hurt any other member or their work. If you need to say something do it with the facts but not with insults.

Spamming and Trolling - We do not tolerate spamming or trolling in any place.

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Dave_L Published 10/25/2007 23:52 XOOPS is my life! Joined 11/07/2003 Comments 2277

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DJ has the keys & DaveL also has the keys. JDSeymour gave them to dj & davel a long time ago, they have full root access to the dev.xoops server. so why DJ has said he hasn't i don't know.. ASK HIM!!

That's before jmorris decided to change the root passwords.

Since I'm no longer on the council or technical group, I don't know the exact situation now.

But I can confirm that the dev.xoops.org server was in bad shape. Among other things, it was loaded down with old files, and is nearly out of disk space.

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vaughan Published 10/25/2007 23:58 Friend of XOOPS Joined 11/26/2005 Comments 680

agreed Dave, and the informationas it stands at moment, is that dj doesn't have access. but herko thinks he has access!

if herko doesn't have the password then who does? does it matter? herko (i think) is currently the registered contact for the server admin. so it would be easy to get the password reset if that's the case.

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Catzwolf Published 10/26/2007 5:54 Home away from home Joined 09/30/2007 Comments 1392

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But I can confirm that the dev.xoops.org server was in bad shape. Among other things, it was loaded down with old files, and is nearly out of disk space.

I agree with you that it may have been in bad shape, but this is due to neglect over the last 3 years and just left to rot by people who now believe it has no place within this community.

A lot of people spent a lot of time putting that site up and in place and it saddens me that no one could take the time to manage it properly and let the work we did go in vain.

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Herko Published 10/26/2007 5:58 XOOPS is my life! Joined 02/04/2002 Comments 4238

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Poster: phppp Posted: 2007/10/26 1:08:37

I reconfirmed with server administrators: they had lost their root access.

I hope the Foundation, who current holds the severs can solve the problem as soon as possible.

Solving the problem is more important than posting here.

The xoops.org server was down a few days ago, and JDSeymour looked into it then (together with JMorris). This was after the incident with access to the server. So, JDSeymour has root access. I reconfirmed this with JMorris, who posted about it on xoopsinfo.com.

I agree this problem needs to be solved. But remember that the problem here isn't root access to the server, but very leaky insecure code being run on an instable and old server.

And I have checked my personal and Foundation e-mails, but I haven't recieved any request for the root password from anyone. So, apparently posting here is more important for some people rather then working to solve this.

I'll go and look for the root password for the servers -I've never even used them, so I'll have to dig thru my stuff to find it. And then I'll send it to the Technical Group. That is, if it's really lost...

Herko

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Catzwolf Published 10/26/2007 6:22 Home away from home Joined 09/30/2007 Comments 1392

That's very as John (JD) already stated to the contrary in another post that he does not have access to the root of the server

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I can confirm that the su - password on the devx server has been changed. I cannot access it as root.

in topic
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https://xoops.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=61426&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&start=30

Also, from what DJ stated, you WERE informed that they did not have root access and that you did not answer one way or another. If this is the case then this is a serious mismanagement in all aspects and needs to be addressed very quickly.

Who in fact does own Xoops.org and its domains? Who is liable if something goes wrong? Is it the council or the foundation or does XOOPS actually not belong to either of you and does in fact belong to this community.

Because what I am seeing is a whole lot of finger pointing in both directions and no one actually taking any direct accountability for this issue. The council and foundation cannot have it all their own way, if the council is responsible for the management of these site, then it is the foundations responsibility to hand over all the details required and to cease having any direct involvement in the handling of this department, else the foundation should take full responsibility for the issues at hand and address them accordingly without the need for the drama that as been apparent this last few days.

This is getting ridiculous, and is seriously unprofessional and childlike in every aspect.

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MadFish Published 10/26/2007 6:35 Friend of XOOPS Joined 09/27/2003 Comments 1056

The xoops.org domain is owned by Ono, I am fairly certain of that. The rest I don't know.

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Dave_L Published 10/26/2007 7:14 XOOPS is my life! Joined 11/07/2003 Comments 2277

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I agree this problem needs to be solved. But remember that the problem here isn't root access to the server, but very leaky insecure code being run on an instable and old server.

Exactly.

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I agree with you that it may have been in bad shape, but this is due to neglect over the last 3 years and just left to rot by people who now believe it has no place within this community.

I agree with the "neglect" part, but this was not by design. Servers tend to "rot" if not maintained actively, and on this kind of project it's not easy to find people willing to do the monotonous and unrewarding work required.

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wizanda Published 10/26/2007 8:42 Home away from home Joined 03/21/2004 Comments 1585

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I agree with the "neglect" part, but this was not by design. Servers tend to "rot" if not maintained actively, and on this kind of project it's not easy to find people willing to do the monotonous and unrewarding work required.

I have asked and asked; Predator told me he wanted to fix dev also...maybe if you just want rewarding, then helping people isn't enough....

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Herko Published 10/26/2007 15:15 XOOPS is my life! Joined 02/04/2002 Comments 4238

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Poster: catzwolf_ Posted: 2007/10/26 8:22:58

That's very as John (JD) already stated to the contrary in another post that he does not have access to the root of the server

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I can confirm that the su - password on the devx server has been changed. I cannot access it as root.

in topic https://xoops.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=61426&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&start=30

Then my information was incorrect.

JD Seymour has all the information I have, and I have the assurance from JMorris that he didn't touch the dev.xoops.org server, so that means we all have this problem. Like I said, I'll send all the info I have to the tech group, so they can look into it.

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Also, from what DJ stated, you WERE informed that they did not have root access and that you did not answer one way or another. If this is the case then this is a serious mismanagement in all aspects and needs to be addressed very quickly.

Here you are misinformed. The http://www.xoops.org root acccess was demanded, and the Foundation discussed it, and decided that root access is not needed at the time of the request. You can find that info all on the xoopsfoundation.org website, and posted elsewhere as well. As I said, the dev.xoops.org server is another one then the http://www.xoops.org one.

As for ridiculous fingerpointing and unprofessional childlike behaviour, I'm glad we can agree on that. The Foundation is dedicated to helping the project and the community as much as possible. We're all working towards finding the correct root info, so dev.xoops.org can be restored and then fixed. Maybe the hacker changed the password??

Herko

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vaughan Published 10/26/2007 15:23 Friend of XOOPS Joined 11/26/2005 Comments 680

waste of time responding herko in my opinion.

you're a thief & want XOOPS all to yourself.. (not my opinion by the way, i disagree with every accusation that marco & hervet have accused you of) but non the less, they will not accept your word over DJ's.)

maybe david had the best solution to shut the whiney marco up, and that solution was to prosecute him for false liableous comments aimed at yourself.

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NovaSmart Published 10/26/2007 17:26 Updated 10/26/2007 17:30 Module Developer Joined 06/01/2007 Comments 158

I feel tired to see foundation VS developer argument VS server admin. Stop all unnecessary argument and please solve the problem ASAP. foundation, server admin and developer need to improve their communicate each other and schedule something like skype conference, so you can talk directly each other to clear up everything.

All of you think thanks you do all of these things for XOOPS good, but actually you ends up making XOOPS worse. Please and please.... don't make XOOPS die (which already dying).

I love XOOPS.

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BlueStocking Published 10/26/2007 22:00 Updated 10/26/2007 22:18 Home away from home Joined 02/16/2007 Comments 1191

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the Foundation discussed it

Meaning, you discussed it with who?

The last I heard ... from you .. was there wan't three members, you were all that was left, and you were going to hand it over to someone else, you hadn't determined who yet....

Davidl someone else and Joomlia was mentioned as possibilities, then you posted esscentially the same information to the board.

Give SailJapan the KEYS, he is the best representative of the community we have seen as of yet.

My opinion.
It is time to turn control OVER to the COMMUNITY.

...darcy

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Catzwolf Published 10/26/2007 22:48 Updated 10/26/2007 22:50 Home away from home Joined 09/30/2007 Comments 1392

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JD Seymour has all the information I have, and I have the assurance from JMorris that he didn't touch the dev.xoops.org server, so that means we all have this problem. Like I said, I'll send all the info I have to the tech group, so they can look into it.

Then maybe someone should actually take a look at the logs for that server and see when it was changed and by whom, if it was indeed the hacker then steps have to put in place to make sure that this doesn't happen again. If this was someone within this project that perpetrated this then is very serious.

I just think that the lack lustre approach to this issue is unacceptable, many people actually use that website in a development role and user role and to me, it seems that no one was really interested in finding a solution.

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Here you are misinformed. The http://www.xoops.org root access was demanded, and the Foundation discussed it, and decided that root access is not needed at the time of the request. You can find that info all on the xoopsfoundation.org website, and posted elsewhere as well. As I said, the dev.xoops.org server is another one then the http://www.xoops.org one.

On what grounds did you the foundation decide that it was not required?

Again, why do I have to go to some third party website to find out information regarding Xoops. This just adds to the fragmentation of this project. If I need information regarding this project as a whole I come to this website, not yours or the councils.

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As for ridiculous finger pointing and unprofessional childlike behaviour, I'm glad we can agree on that. The Foundation is dedicated to helping the project and the community as much as possible.

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We're all working towards finding the correct root info, so dev.xoops.org can be restored and then fixed.

Please Herko, don't try and taint yourself or the foundation as the innocent party here. We both know that the foundation has done all it can not to co-operate within this project the way it should be doing. The foundation is part of this project and not outside body and should start acting on behalf of the community in a professional manner.

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Maybe the hacker changed the password??

And maybe I am the green banana man??

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hervet Published 10/27/2007 6:11 Updated 10/27/2007 12:50 Friend of XOOPS Joined 11/04/2003 Comments 2267

@vaughan, monty and all the others in your head

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Do you get money to talk for him or are you his boyfriend (or do you get money to be his boyfriend ?)

I note an "evolution" in your posts, you've gone from #oops# to herko !

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vaughan Published 10/27/2007 16:37 Friend of XOOPS Joined 11/26/2005 Comments 680

what's up herve? jealous are you?

do you want some instead? i'd be happy to oblige and give you some lovin', but so long as you take your head out your ass 1st.

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hervet Published 10/27/2007 16:40 Friend of XOOPS Joined 11/04/2003 Comments 2267

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what's up herve? jealous are you?

do you want some instead? i'd be happy to oblige and give you some lovin', but so long as you take your head out your ass 1st.

Dear pitbull,

You are a small insignificant character unable to exist by himself and unable to say anything other than crap.

You do not deserve any response and this is the last you will have from me.

Continue to pour out your torrent of stupidity and hatred, it's just what you are capable of (and please, express your libido for herko in private it's indecent

)

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vaughan Published 10/27/2007 16:44 Friend of XOOPS Joined 11/26/2005 Comments 680

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Dear pitbull,

You are a small insignificant character unable to exist by himself and unable to say anything other than crap.

You do not deserve any response and this is the last you will have from me.

Continue to pour out your torrent of stupidity and hatred, it's just what you are capable of (and please, express your libido for herko in private it's indecent )

yet you responded anyway. i can speak my own words thanks herve. unlike you who can't understand english properly.

and might i point out that it was you who 1st insinuated that herko was my boyfriend. in fact it is you who has been stupid and full of hatred.. grow the frak up will you..

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Mamba Published 10/27/2007 17:35 Moderator Joined 04/23/2004 Comments 11409

Guys, please stop! This is embarrassing!

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blindman Published 10/27/2007 18:48 Not too shy to talk Joined 06/26/2005 Comments 119

Herve, I'm just an usual XOOPS user, you are one of my php idol, just like phppp and many others contributors, please just let it go, let's get back on the nice side of this open source project.
Please.

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Peekay Published 10/27/2007 19:01 XOOPS is my life! Joined 11/20/2004 Comments 2335

There was a time when a thread that deteriorated into a personal slanging match would be closed (off-topic, personal attacks, attempts to circumvent swear filter etc.) How many reasons do the moderators need.

Are there any moderators left?

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Dave_L Published 10/27/2007 19:16 Updated 10/27/2007 19:17 XOOPS is my life! Joined 11/07/2003 Comments 2277

We could try [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law]Godwin's Law[/url].

You guys are worse than Nazis and this thread reminds me of a concentration camp.

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vaughan Published 10/27/2007 19:51 Updated 10/27/2007 19:52 Friend of XOOPS Joined 11/26/2005 Comments 680

personally i find it more like a lynch mob attacking herko because they were all mislead by misinformation and information that was not fully provided.

and i also see it that the management did not do anything to calm down the lynch mob by giving them the full correct information b4 it got this far.

oh, can i pull the FREE SPEECH crap here like everyone else does? CENSORSHIP ALERT!!!!

lol I'm kidding, i fought very hard to be able to get these arguments removed, but the people at the top want them kept here for all to see, in fact the community wants them all here to see.

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alitan Published 10/27/2007 21:34 Quite a regular Joined 03/14/2004 Comments 399

After all thse incidences, I came to conclusion that No XOOPS Council nether any Foundation has the access to any of the Domains and Servers. The person who pulled the plug was in charge...hehehe
Let's see if they do the same with the main website... (not very nice)....
Just buy the domains from Ono and reformat the servers for the sake of Xoops. I rather see a freshly made blank Xoops.org with a new design than see this outdated-insecure website...
Alitan

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Published 10/28/2007 8:59 Updated 10/28/2007 9:09 Joined Comments

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Are there any moderators left?

Yes, there are mods left - I'm one of them, as is sailjapan and kc0maz (we're part of the CC Team). There are others, I think.

Neither Sailjapan nor I have permission to edit/delete comments posted to news items. I think that kc0maz, as head of the CC Team has permission to delete comments. He's in a different part of the world (USA) to myself (UK) and Sailjapan (work it out for yourselves!) so hopefully he'll see this in due course and take what action he sees fit.

Just to clarify a few misconceptions:
1. The three of us do not have permission to post in the Forums using our moderators' accounts, not even to leave a note saying what we'd done in a particular thread. I lost my moderator rights a while back for posting in a private moderators' forum.

We're not supposed to use mod accounts even for sending PMs, although I freely admit to doing this as it's the only way that I can communicate with those involved. I expect I'll lose my moderator rights for admitting this.

2. We are allowed to edit/delete posts/threads or move them to a (private) holding area for discussion. Discussion by whom is another issue. There are a whole load spammers' account waiting to be closed. We can't do this.

3. We do not have the power to ban users from posting, either temporarily or permanently.

4. If any users thing that our moderator rights are insufficient then I invite them to conact either the Council or phppp (DJ) directly. Please!

All we can do is use or normal accounts to ask people to behave in a civilised manner. I'm therefore doing this now.

Please can anyone involved in this string of comments moderate their comments, stick to the matter in hand and desist from posting insulting and slanderous material on a public site.

Take your arguements to PM or email.

Marco and Vaughan..... this means you two in particular, please.

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xgarb Published 10/28/2007 10:00 Updated 10/28/2007 10:01 Not too shy to talk Joined 03/30/2003 Comments 154

Can someone create a diagram (I can do it if someone wants to provide the information) about the current structure of xoops.

Things like for each of the domains/subdomains.

Where it's hosted
Who owns the domain name
Who has server root access
Who has other server access
Who has XOOPS admin access
Who has other XOOPS access (mods etc)

For each of the teams.
Members and their roles

This would mean that when situations like this arise members will know who to contact to fix the problem. Like a business organisation chart.

In addition I would love to see bios for team members so we can see a bit about them.

Also a message for anyone that doesn't like this project.. Please just leave and let the people that like it run it.

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MadFish Published 10/28/2007 10:11 Friend of XOOPS Joined 09/27/2003 Comments 1056

The draft proposal preparation team will produce an organisational chart, and also descriptions of roles/TOR for whatever structure comes out of the discussions.

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hervet Published 10/28/2007 10:17 Updated 10/28/2007 10:51 Friend of XOOPS Joined 11/04/2003 Comments 2267

A diagram of the xoops.org teams (and of the dev team) BUT ALSO of the foundation.

Nowadays, there are plenty of people talking for the foundation (ie vaughan & McDonald) and nobody knows if they have any "legal right" to talk FOR the foundation... Or they are aware of many things that the community is not aware of !

@Dave Lerner,
Here is your Godwin point for comparing people to nazis !

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Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

vaughan Published 10/28/2007 11:29 Friend of XOOPS Joined 11/26/2005 Comments 680

get this into your thick head will you hervet.

I don't & have never spoke For the foundation. I am not and have never been a member of the foundation.

I speak for myself thanks. And if you & marco hadn't directly accused herko of doing something that he had not done, then i would not have responded to those false accusations. therefore if you had kept you misinformed and arrogant mouths shut, this thread would not be in the state it is now.

so NO hervet, I am not speaking for the foundation, I am speaking as a member of this community who was disgusted by the fact that a friend of mine was falsely accused of doing something he hadn't done.

I am also disgusted with DJ for not setting things straight and admitting that you were mislead (either intentionally or not), DJ could have quashed these arguments, except he was more than happy for you to keep accusing herko.

bad communication was the problem here, not herko withholding access, because we now know that he did not withhold access.

so i say again. Javesey & crip, why do i get the blame here all the time for speaking my mind and protecting my friend from false accusations?

i didn't start the arguemnt, i didn't post false accusations, in fact I did noithing to start this flame war. I only responded to the false accusations, false Liableous accusations that could still bring XOOPS into a legal battle in a court of law. why do i get the blame for setting the record straight?

do you want XOOPS in a legal battle? that's good business for XOOPS NOT.

if they shut up, i'll shut up.

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

Published 10/28/2007 12:03 Updated 10/28/2007 12:10 Joined Comments

Quote:

so i say again. Javesey & crip, why do i get the blame here all the time for speaking my mind and protecting my friend from false accusations?

My comment aimed at you was in respect of the tone and language used rather than the content itself.

I mentioned you in particular because of the "STFU" which appeared on a couple of occasions.

I'm genuinely sorry if you feel that I singled you out unnecessarily.

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

svaha Published 10/28/2007 20:33 Just can't stay away Joined 08/02/2003 Comments 896

So, what's the status now, is anybody actually looking into this?

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

tzvook Published 10/28/2007 20:38 Updated 10/28/2007 20:42 Just can't stay away Joined 02/01/2003 Comments 875

Quote:

...
You guys are worse than Nazis and this thread reminds me of a concentration camp.

Nothing in the world deserves that one !!?
Everybody should take one step back and remember we are here for (almost) the same reason.
There's no room for all those EGO's running around here...

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

Dave_L Published 10/28/2007 23:50 XOOPS is my life! Joined 11/07/2003 Comments 2277

I think my Godwin's Law post was misunderstood.

Maybe this will clarify it:
http://catb.org/jargon/html/G/Godwins-Law.html

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

BlueStocking Published 10/29/2007 0:59 Updated 10/29/2007 1:04 Home away from home Joined 02/16/2007 Comments 1191

@Xgrab,
Click on the
screen name for their bio

EXAMPLE: Phppp

Explore around a little bit and you will find the Core staff, Documents, modules, themes etc.,

Check the current events to see what they are currently up to.

Welcome to the world of xoops.

BlueStocking
BTW: While you are there why don't you add your bio. I would find it interesting.

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

JMorris_ Published 10/29/2007 3:40 Updated 10/29/2007 3:41 Just popping in Joined 10/09/2007 Comments 10

All authentication details to ALL servers were handed over to the Foundation with detailed instructions on what needed done to remove any unauthorized access.

If the Foundation cannot get into the servers, then only the hacker has the root password.

EPC USA can reset the root password from the console within 10 minutes using a Grub/Lilo boot switch but it will require a reboot of the server.

Same applies with the servers through Surpass; however, they do not have the same password as the EPC servers and are much more secure, so they should not be at risk.

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

BlueStocking Published 10/29/2007 3:50 Home away from home Joined 02/16/2007 Comments 1191

James,

Would you mind explaining the difference between 'root' password and the password that one would need to change a domain pointer.

I am unclear on that.

Thanks,
BlueStocking

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

JMorris_ Published 10/29/2007 3:56 Just popping in Joined 10/09/2007 Comments 10

They are completely unrelated. The root password is for the server access (SSH). The Domain Registrar password only controls registration of the XOOPS domain and what Name Servers it points to.

Ono has ownership and control over the Domain Registration. The domain was pointed to EPC USA where the DNS is managed. At any time, Ono could choose to point the xoops.org domain to another set of name servers if he so chose. He has not done so.

At least, that is my understanding of the situation, for what it's worth.

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

BlueStocking Published 10/29/2007 19:22 Updated 10/29/2007 19:26 Home away from home Joined 02/16/2007 Comments 1191

So...
The domain is being hosted via a |S|ecure |S|ocket |H|ost...

Meaning only those server authorized, (maintance or otherwise) may gain access to the domain to vandalize.

They are Separate enities but brought together by a common (need for security) bond.

1) can anyone expect to maintain the security of any.org | the domain | if they do not have access to control who comes and goes via the (SSH) host?

I am not trying to tell anybody anything, I am asking reasonable questions for a better understanding of the circumstances that surround the current delima.

It appears now that whoever controls the servers or SSH enviorment is; or should be.. obligated to assure the security of xoops.org from any unauthorized break-ins.

From that level.

Now, if bad php code is getting the blame/credit for the bringing down of the servers/site then it is reasonable to ban all programs php based until they have been appropiately debugged.
That would include Modules, Themes, etc.,

@James, or @phppp
Correct me where I am wrong here, and I will have another go at understanding.

BlueStocking

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

JMorris_ Published 10/29/2007 20:15 Just popping in Joined 10/09/2007 Comments 10

SSH (Secure Shell) is the interface to the command line on the server. Only authorized people are suppose to have have access to SSH. However, a hacker can gain SSH access through a PHP script if a vulnerability exists in a script, in this case, the old code of dev.x.o. Also, the hacker doesn't even need to initiate a SSH session if they have the root password hash and a rainbow table. A simple PHP shell exec command can change the root password through a custom PHP block.

So, no, a hacker can gain access without being authorized. With MD5 being broken a few years back and the prevalence of rainbow tables, it's a pretty small matter to crack the passwords in the shadow files if you can get an interface to the command line. Since php was compiled with CLI on that server, shell commands could easily be executed from a PHP Custom Block. So, all the hacker had to do was gain access to XOOPS and from there, they could control the server.

Where the domain itself points is a completely separate issue. The domain can be pointed to any server by either the person who owns the domain (Ono) or by the person who manages the DNS (EPC USA).

Pretty straight forward situation actually. What's even more frustrating is the solution is straight forward as well.

This situation is exactly why I mentioned to several people earlier this year, including phppp (DJ) that this functionality should be disallowed by default. I tried to write a patch for the core to solve this, but I got stuck on sanitizing the block contents. I'm not a PHP Dev, though, so it wouldn't be a difficult patch to someone who is.

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

BlueStocking Published 10/29/2007 20:37 Home away from home Joined 02/16/2007 Comments 1191

@James,
Lets assume you have the responsibility of maintaining a server. (this one of course, since you once did)

Forget what a hacker could do, may do or would do, to a server. We all experience that threat but we are not all entrusted with the job of handling those events in order to keep our domain upnrunnin. We usually have someone with adequate access we can call on.

As a server administrator What would you do to fix this once and for all?

BlueStocking

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

Catzwolf Published 10/29/2007 20:40 Updated 10/29/2007 20:46 Home away from home Joined 09/30/2007 Comments 1392

I know Jmorris is going to hate me for this, but I have to agree with him regarding this matter. I have taken a look at the code that is used on dev.xoops.org and to be frank, it is a wonder that this sort of thing didn't happen more times and sooner.

I had planned on just patching the code but to be honest, it is so old and out of date and I personally feel it would be better writing something like this from scratch, but I don't have the time to do that though.

Until there is a better solution or program that can be used it would be better to leave dev.xoops.org down until a time there is.

If your server admin tells you that you have a security issue on a server, you should actually listen to them and delagate someone to inverstigate the matter further, not just let the server admin try and patch it himself.

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

BlueStocking Published 10/29/2007 20:45 Updated 10/29/2007 20:50 Home away from home Joined 02/16/2007 Comments 1191

@Catwolf, @phppp or @ono @James
Do we have a sufficient backup of the database.
Approx. what would be the size? Is it accessable and if so to whom, and where.

BlueStocking

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

Catzwolf Published 10/29/2007 20:49 Updated 10/29/2007 20:51 Home away from home Joined 09/30/2007 Comments 1392

Sorry darcy, I believe you have misunderstood me a little. I didn't actually have a chance to look at dev.xoops.org itself, just the software made available for download.

But I assume that it would be possible to get a backup of the database from the server company. They normally create backups of your site at intervals (well mines does anyway) and it hasn't been the first time I have had to revert to a 3 month old back up. You lose some data, but not it all.

If dev.xoops was on surpass then I know for a fact that they will have backups, it just might cost a little to have this done.

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

BlueStocking Published 10/29/2007 21:02 Updated 10/29/2007 21:11 Home away from home Joined 02/16/2007 Comments 1191

Catzwolf,
I did get the impression you had a hands on experience with the server actually runing the code.

Thanks for the clairfication.

My concern is the backup has not been put in place for retreival of existing modules.
(Archived)

Next question,
Where is the database hosted? (modules)
It just now ocurred to me to ask.

My host does not store the backup databases on the same server. They are a separate enity.

BS

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

Catzwolf Published 10/29/2007 21:12 Updated 10/29/2007 21:13 Home away from home Joined 09/30/2007 Comments 1392

Orginally I did, but that was when we first setup that domain. The software port used on that domian was done by Predator (He spent a good few months doing it ) and it really should have been maintained and updated afterwards, but wasn't.

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

JMorris_ Published 10/29/2007 22:05 Updated 10/29/2007 22:10 Just popping in Joined 10/09/2007 Comments 10

I don't know when the last backup was taken. I took a backup a short bit before stepping down as server admin, but after all the goings on here, I no longer have this backup. I had a motherboard failure a couple weeks ago that took out my MBR and I intentionally did not go in and recover any XOOPS related information.

Regardless, a backup will only be somewhat useful. I agree with Jon that reopening dev.x.o would be a mistake until the site is fully patched.

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

Catzwolf Published 10/29/2007 22:31 Home away from home Joined 09/30/2007 Comments 1392

Personally think that we should put this down a learning experience from all sides, put in place some measures to prevent this from happening again in the future.

I know that a lot of the people who use d.x.o have now lost their work and that is something maybe we can't replace, but I would suggest that we take this opportunity to possibly starting fresh with newer more robust software, a team to fully manage and moderate the site and help those developers who now find themselves without a development home.

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

BlueStocking Published 10/29/2007 22:37 Home away from home Joined 02/16/2007 Comments 1191

I am a person that is still having problems with moderators not having the authority to delete off subject posts.

I am going to have an very difficult time wrapping my mind around someone with the authority to make a backup having the full authority to decide not to protect that backup.

This is an issue for SailJapan and MadFish to be sure and include in the Proposal. Regarding power and authority.

Re: newizexinux

davidl2 Published 10/31/2007 16:56 XOOPS is my life! Joined 05/26/2003 Comments 4843

DJ - Can you possibly set up Kaotix's groups module so the couple of moderators on this site can remove spam?

Thank you.

Re: newizexinux

Published 10/31/2007 20:44 Joined Comments

Quote:

DJ - Can you possibly set up Kaotix's groups module so the couple of moderators on this site can remove spam?

Your plea has been heard and I've delete 5 "newizexinux" comments. Not been able to moderate comments until now, so thanks DJ

I don't have the power to ban users. Yet

[solved]

BlueStocking Published 10/31/2007 21:23 Updated 11/01/2007 3:45 Home away from home Joined 02/16/2007 Comments 1191

[Solved] deleted

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

snow77 Published 11/01/2007 4:15 Just can't stay away Joined 07/23/2003 Comments 864

Quote:

[Solved] deleted

What's that supposed to mean?

I'm still waiting for what solution is going to be given to this. It was the only place where core documentation could be consulted

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

BlueStocking Published 11/01/2007 4:40 Updated 11/01/2007 4:42 Home away from home Joined 02/16/2007 Comments 1191

I posted an off-topic request for a proposal forum that has now been granted. (via MadFish) The post I hijacked was a spammers ad which I deleted. I am no longer requesting action from JAVesey, I did not want to leave it here and get my request duplicated in error. The post wasn't answered, the forum has/is being set up.

The spam heading I deleted in keeping with the above five posts that JAVesey deleted.

hope this helps
BS

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

snow77 Published 11/01/2007 5:07 Updated 11/01/2007 5:27 Just can't stay away Joined 07/23/2003 Comments 864

Quote:

The post I hijacked was a spammers ad which I deleted. I am no longer requesting action from JAVesey,

You hijack posts?! I have no idea what Javesey's or your role is here in XOOPS. Whatever is happening is really strange and actually I don't care. If your supposed to be a "moderator" Please ask to be listed here https://xoops.org/modules/wfchannel/index.php?pagenum=17 , otherwise it seems to me you are a "hijacker" "hacker" whatever and I'd be afraid you hijack my posts too. The XOOPS community doesn't know who is responsable of what is happening in these posts and their posters and what role they have. Before moderators were really organized and didn't delete posts and if a post was "moved" reasons were explained. If you are moderator please open a new forum for these issues .... because...

Back on topic

Most of the contributors and XOOPS users are worried about what was being worked on and consulted at dev.xoops.org and to have access to this information again ... and I am as worried as when http://www.xoopsdocs.net had a server damage and thanks to fortunate working circumstances the wiki2006 is back alive again and kept as archive at xoopswiki.org ... and I hope the community gets again at least an archive copy of the information of this site (dev.xoops.org).

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

Catzwolf Published 11/01/2007 5:38 Home away from home Joined 09/30/2007 Comments 1392

@Snow,

I have been trying to find out what and why this has happened but each time I seem to hit a brick wall with half truths and misleading information.

From what I have learn't so far, seems both sides are blaming each other for not having the proper passwords and access to fix the issue. No ones seems to have a back up of the database or files that may have been lost (But I don't understand why we can't just ask the hosting provider for the last known good database before the hacking took place).

I don't think it will just be case of repopening the site with the old software, it is vastly out of date and has not been managed correctly since Predator put it in place and even if it was patched I still believe that it would be a security risk in the future.

Will their be an archive? I very much doubt it now and I cannot see anyone trying to convert the database either to run on a new system.

From what DJ told me earlier, they are looking at new software for this domain and that really would confirm that all information will be lost. I am not 100% sure if any of the avail downloads were detroyed and this could possible be saved and placed else where for download.

I just hope they find a solution or we are looking at a wealth of information lost.

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

snow77 Published 11/01/2007 5:50 Updated 11/01/2007 6:17 Just can't stay away Joined 07/23/2003 Comments 864

AS community XOOPS user,

Dave_L, please could you give the administrator of xoopswiki.org the backup of the wiki documentation that once existed at dev.xoops.org ? There's a wiki team that could help restore this information while the "official" one is re-stored. Documentation is VERY important! I do understand that xoopsforge can be hard to restablish but:

The community wants at least an archive, even damaged backup in the worst case, to recover information and rebuild past years of work.

P.S. Catzwolf...I've got my reasons to not respond to you anymore. So don't think this as a reply.

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

MadFish Published 11/01/2007 7:02 Friend of XOOPS Joined 09/27/2003 Comments 1056

I suggest that we add responsibilities for admin / access rights / maintenance of backups for XOOPS sites as an agenda item for discussion by the draft proposal preparation team - as an issue that needs to be sorted out, agreed on and clearly documented.

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

Catzwolf Published 11/01/2007 7:08 Updated 11/01/2007 7:20 Home away from home Joined 09/30/2007 Comments 1392

Quote:

P.S. Catzwolf...I've got my reasons to not respond to you anymore. So don't think this as a reply.

ok, first in a way by stating this, it was a reply, and 2, I still think you're a wonderful person, I always have and I don't think that will change dispite whatever it is you think I have done to you personally, because the hell if I know.

Anyway, I hope yyour ok and doing well and if you ever change your mind you still have a friend here waiting like you always did before.

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

davidl2 Published 11/01/2007 10:55 XOOPS is my life! Joined 05/26/2003 Comments 4843

Snow - Just to clarify - there was an issue a few posts before your first one, and just before my post about permissions, from another "george w bush" spammer.... that post had been either deleted or hidden - so the follow on posts did not make much sense ....

That's what the Hijacking comments etc where about

Dave_l/DJ/Uncle-tom-cobbley and all Please contact a member of the XOOPS Community docs team about transferring a copy of the dev.xoops wiki data to XOOPSWiki.org - the team would have no issues on transferring the information, and also in making it possibly available to be made in multilanguages in due course.

All I've suggested already to a well-known XOOPS Module developer here that perhaps we should start work on a new development site. I don't intend to run this (so don't worry - you've no reason to attack the idea!) - but if there is no objection to a free-standing, proper "Forge" solution for module development, then I'd like the remainders of the XOOPS Community Module team (xoopsmoddev.org) to give me a shout - and we'll see if something can be salvaged from this dabacle.

I'm sure users of the old site would strongly wish that the current dev.xoops can be salvaged as some sort of archive - to allow them to manually transfer to a better system.

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

hervet Published 11/01/2007 11:46 Friend of XOOPS Joined 11/04/2003 Comments 2267

Snow is true, the wiki available on d.x.o is cruelly missing.

The core without modules is useless and modules without core too. So please, can we have a report of what's going to happen for modules, d.x.o, the files who where available on this site and its wiki ?

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

Published 11/01/2007 17:31 Joined Comments

Quote:

davidl2 wrote:

I've suggested already to a well-known XOOPS Module developer here that perhaps we should start work on a new development site.

Fabulous

I hope this proves to be a "runner". Thank you and whomsoever it is that you've been speaking to.

Quote:

Hervé wrote:

The core without modules is useless and modules without core too.

Something that cannot be argued against, but well-worth reminding us of. Thank you

Quote:

Hervé wrote:

So please, can we have a report of what's going to happen for modules, d.x.o, the files who where available on this site and its wiki?

+1

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

davidl2 Published 11/01/2007 19:00 XOOPS is my life! Joined 05/26/2003 Comments 4843

(And before anyone comments... it wasn't Marcan )

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

BlueStocking Published 11/01/2007 19:46 Home away from home Joined 02/16/2007 Comments 1191

@snow77,
For clairification...

I am not a moderator here, lack of transparency and the ability to use the position of moderator in a meaniful way let to my resignation early on.

My deleted post was done as a reply to a spammer, and off-topic. It was deleted by myself when addressed.

Sorry for the confusion.
...darcy

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

BlueStocking Published 11/01/2007 20:10 Home away from home Joined 02/16/2007 Comments 1191

Quote:

Poster: MadFish Posted: 2007/11/1 1:02:08

I suggest that we add responsibilities for admin / access rights / maintenance of backups for XOOPS sites as an agenda item for discussion by the draft proposal preparation team - as an issue that needs to be sorted out, agreed on and clearly documented.

@MadFish,
Absolutely, and that is of prime importance.
No backups and we may be completely out of business at any point in time like dev.xoops.org

This I believe should be a first order of business.

Securing access and backups.

...darcy

Re: newizexinux

davidl2 Published 11/01/2007 22:52 XOOPS is my life! Joined 05/26/2003 Comments 4843

Understandable - you either need Kaotik's group module to be set up for this, or for someone to trust you to have more senior access.

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

skenow Published 11/02/2007 2:13 Home away from home Joined 11/17/2004 Comments 993

A project has been started at XOOPSwiki.org to preserve as much as possible - http://www.xoopswiki.org/wiki/index.php?title=DevWiki_Index

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

davidl2 Published 11/02/2007 10:12 XOOPS is my life! Joined 05/26/2003 Comments 4843

This link was not working, but will now

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

Marco Published 11/03/2007 16:21 Updated 11/03/2007 16:31 Home away from home Joined 03/15/2004 Comments 1256

well, the main mistake has not been solved.
before creating another dead commission :
- who can post here the actual situation.
- who is keeping the server key accesses and doesn't want to give them ?
the situation is a total mess, 2 weeks after.
it confirms again the foundation is not here for the benefit of the community. only for some private interests.
==>Marcan, David, Herko, would you mind to stop being silly, once?

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

phppp Published 11/03/2007 16:35 XOOPS Contributor Joined 01/25/2004 Comments 2857

I would like to clarify a little bit to Marco's questions.

The XOOPS Project was given full access to old servers, however the XOOPS Foundation refuses to give full access to new XOOPS servers according to marcan's response to Project Council's second time request which was submitted to XOOPS Foundation last week.
According to the current situation, I guess the d.x.o will be kept in close status for unpredictable time period.

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

marcan Published 11/03/2007 17:16 Just can't stay away Joined 10/08/2003 Comments 824

Since we are in the clarification phase , can I just mention that the Foundation has requested a meeting with the Council and the Community to sort this "servers" issue. 2 messages were sent to the council 2 days ago. We did not receive any feedback.

The Council has its reasons to request for root access. The Foundation has its reasons to not give them and still believe they are not needed. All other access were given to JDSeymour as requested by the Council.

We just need to explain our reasons to each other and then we can find a solution. This is why I requested a meeting so we can finally talk and solve those issues.

We are here to help and are trying to have a discussion with the council.

Let's hope this meeting can take place as soon as possible.

Best regards,

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

Catzwolf Published 11/03/2007 17:21 Updated 11/03/2007 17:22 Home away from home Joined 09/30/2007 Comments 1392

Just to clarify, that this situation is pissing a lot of people off who would just like to have their projects back, the site back up and running or the information moved to another site.

Now either get your bloody act togather and start acting on behalf of this community rather than your own interests.

Either do something about this or you stand to lose a lot more people here at XOOPS with your petty politics.

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

vaughan Published 11/03/2007 17:26 Friend of XOOPS Joined 11/26/2005 Comments 680

it confirms nothin marco, there you go again.

have you not read properly at all?

nobody had the right access, not phppp, not herko, not marcan, not david, not james, not jdseymour not nobody except the person who changed it..

i'm assuming ECP has already reset the root password to the dev.xoops server.

to clarify on what DJ has just said, they have access to dev.xoops.server which is on the old server.

and as mentioned before.

DJ doesn't need full root access to the new servers.

if they want an account opening up for xoops.org & dev.xoops on the new servers, all they need to do is ask!! it's that simple.

an account will be setup then with full CPanel, FTP & ssh, whatever they need, for each domain/site. why is that such a hard thing to understand.

but root access is not required in order to do that.

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

Catzwolf Published 11/03/2007 17:30 Updated 11/03/2007 18:29 Home away from home Joined 09/30/2007 Comments 1392

Tell you what, here is a very simple way to solve this issue regarding the council and the foundation and any more mix ups in the future, MERGE THE BOTH TOGETHER AND JUST HAVE ONE BODY RUNNING XOOPS. Simple as that.

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

Marco Published 11/03/2007 17:38 Updated 11/03/2007 17:44 Home away from home Joined 03/15/2004 Comments 1256

well, as i said before, there is no valid reason for the foundation to block the project and not giving the proper access to those who want the project to go further.
moreover, it's again another fact that simply indicates there is no valid reason to have a foundation either. the project is not mature to manage such a toy, especially if it has never asked for its creation, if its members have been selfelected for their own interests, and if it's blocking the project with no valid reason.
The XOOPS foundation is simply a "banana republic". We don't need it, and it's not our model.
thanks marcan, david and herko for your lies.
sorry, but facts are facts.
you don't own the project. please quit for the benefit of all.

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

phppp Published 11/04/2007 2:21 XOOPS Contributor Joined 01/25/2004 Comments 2857

Quote:

Since we are in the clarification phase , can I just mention that the Foundation has requested a meeting with the Council and the Community to sort this "servers" issue. 2 messages were sent to the council 2 days ago. We did not receive any feedback.

Marcan, the Council does not respond to your suggestion perhaps because the Council does not think your way of managing XOOPS entity by splitting the XOOPS into "three-leg" a proper way : )

XOOPS is ONE XOOPS, why do you (since herko is moving out according to his claim and your informaiton, I guess currently the working Foundation members are you and davidl2?) try to split the XOOPS into a three-leg stuff?

The Foundation was created by Herko to serve the XOOPS Project, not to create a leading or governmental unit. Do I understand correctly, Herko? why now you (marcan) try to convert the Foundation into an powerful unit by objectively splitting the XOOPS and try to show your existence and importance by "offering" the you defined "Project and Community" with financial support (servers).

Remember that people donated their money to the XOOPS Project instead of to a foundation, the commercial ads put on http://www.xoops.org was for the XOOPS Project instead of for a foundation.

The resources held by the Foundation belong to the XOOPS Project, the ONE XOOPS entity. They are not properties of the Foundation.
The Foundation created by Herko was intended to be a service unit for the XOOPS, not an yet another executive unit.

Marcan, are you trying to prove the Foundation's existence and powerfulness or trying to help the XOOPS?

Marcan, please don't split the XOOPS.

Anyway, the XOOPS community (not the one defined by you which is one out of three legs, but the whole community consist of all people are involved in the ONE XOOPS entity) is trying to working on an overall structure of XOOPS entity.

Hope the real ONE XOOPS will be recovered soon : )

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Marco Published 11/04/2007 8:02 Updated 11/04/2007 8:05 Home away from home Joined 03/15/2004 Comments 1256

well, i understand better : the foundation is promoting fragmentation.
One question unanswered : why is the foundation blocking the situation? is there any valid reason? i strongly guess no. the only reason is for them to keep their (self-elected) chairs.
Ono, if you hear us, come and bring back open source to this project, so we will be able to work and conduct as professionals again, with fun. the foundation fools make XOOPS ridiculous days after days. It deserves each of us. Help !

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wtravel Published 11/04/2007 8:27 Joined 08/27/2003 Comments 987

+1 for making the projects in dev.xoops.org available again, root access or no root access. I just want to get work done and contribute to the XOOPS project but the way things are going now cause a major slow down of development. Please give us the proper tools to do our work.

Cheers to all XOOPSers

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hervet Published 11/04/2007 9:19 Friend of XOOPS Joined 11/04/2003 Comments 2267

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+1 for making the projects in dev.xoops.org available again, root access or no root access. I just want to get work done and contribute to the XOOPS project but the way things are going now cause a major slow down of development. Please give us the proper tools to do our work.

+2, I agree.

Hey boys ("foundation" and "council") you are slowly but surely killing the project !
Congratulations ....

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damaster Published 11/04/2007 12:27 Updated 11/04/2007 12:32 Just can't stay away Joined 05/11/2003 Comments 556

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Marcan wrote:
(...)
The Council has its reasons to request for root access. The Foundation has its reasons to not give them and still believe they are not needed. (...)

The Foundation has its reasons to not give them?...

If there's not project development, there's no Foundation!

At least, if this comment don't contribute to make people react
on the Foundation and some members role, It makes clear
who still abusing from power positions.

Finally such situation is not a positive factor to
create a clean and safe open source environment.

If the goal is to make XOOPS ONLY ONE, set it free, it's GPL!
And it is enough!

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marcan Published 11/04/2007 14:11 Just can't stay away Joined 10/08/2003 Comments 824

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From: Marc-André Lanciault
Sent: 4 novembre 2007 09:09 GMT -5
To: 'xoops-council@googlegroups.com'
Cc: 'John D. Seymour '; 'board@xoopsfoundation.org'
Subject: Root access to the new server

Hi,

Please note that we have sent all the access that we have for the new servers to jseymour, including of course the root access. He currently has everything the Council have been requesting.

Let us know if you need anything else.

Best regards,

Marc-André Lanciault
Secretary
The XOOPS Foundation
http://xoopsfoundation.org

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

marcan Published 11/04/2007 15:32 Just can't stay away Joined 10/08/2003 Comments 824

@DJ

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The Foundation was created by Herko to serve the XOOPS Project, not to create a leading or governmental unit.

Absolutely, and it is not a governmental unit. You are calling all the shots, we are not. The only thing we did not want is to give you root access because we were intending to use the Foundation servers to help other XOOPSers by providing hosting to them. Giving someone else the root access would have represent a security risk for the other sites on the servers. To our knowledge, you did not needed root access. And we have invited you to tell us why you needed those. access. You did not accept our invitation to explain.

So we gave you everything you needed, anyway.

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Anyway, the XOOPS community (not the one defined by you which is one out of three legs, but the whole community consist of all people are involved in the ONE XOOPS entity) is trying to working on an overall structure of XOOPS entity.

Yes and this a very good thing. And the Foundation will be here to do whatever they want. It seems we have not said it enough : we are not here to decide. We are here to help, whatever the people decide.

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Published 11/04/2007 18:36 Joined Comments

@ DJ and Marcan,

I understand that there is a fundamental difference of opinion here, and I understand the issues and the different philosophical viewpoints.

However, I cannot understand why you have chosen to argue in open forum.

It is most unseemly for two Core Devs to stand toe-to-toe, slugging it out in public. It does nothing but harm to xoops.

I don't suppose that asking you both to sort it out in private will do any good?

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Mamba Published 11/04/2007 19:17 Moderator Joined 04/23/2004 Comments 11409

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And the Foundation will be here to do whatever they want. It seems we have not said it enough : we are not here to decide. We are here to help, whatever the people decide.

Marcan, listen to what you're saying. In my mind you're contradicting yourself.

You don't make decisions, but who made the decision about creating the XOOPSaddons Website and thus fragmenting the community? I didn't see any votes on the community about it, did you? If not, who are the people who made the decision?

What about XOOPSInfo? Do you also provide the support there?

I'm sorry but the recent behavior of the Foundation smells like power struggle and is counterproductive to XOOPS interests.

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

Herko Published 11/04/2007 19:35 XOOPS is my life! Joined 02/04/2002 Comments 4238

xoopsaddons is a community initiative. Hence, it is the community's express wish to fragment itself, based probably on the fact the that project was/is incapable of providing what the community needs. Therefore it took action upon itself to create xoopsaddons. The Foundation is just supporting the community.

Herko's Last Post

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Marco Published 11/04/2007 19:59 Updated 11/04/2007 20:01 Home away from home Joined 03/15/2004 Comments 1256

herko, marcan, please stop to think we are so silly.
please stop your lies. facts are facts. there is no need to present things "as if you were the best guys in the world". that's ridiculous, and makes XOOPS ridiculous even more after each of your actions.
thanks.

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

siweb Published 11/04/2007 20:12 Not too shy to talk Joined 05/02/2004 Comments 150

What's stoping The Foundation from providing another server for community generated projects and giving phppp full access for xoops.org servers?

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jdseymour Published 11/04/2007 20:50 Friend of XOOPS Joined 11/11/2004 Comments 3782

To be honest ..... as a server admin, full access was never needed to these servers as thsy are fully managed surpass servers, managed by surpass admins.

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vaughan Published 11/04/2007 20:59 Friend of XOOPS Joined 11/26/2005 Comments 680

silly marco?

you use that word quite a lot. have you looked in the mirror?

everyone is good at asking questions and writing presumptions here.

but will some actually answer the #OOPS# questions put to them? instead of avoiding them.

DJ WTF do you need full root access?

DJ is not having full root access preventing you from moving & setting up the new xoops.org/dev.xoops site?

DJ why is it that the council exists? it is pretty #OOPS# obvious who is calling the shots round here, and the council is far from there, it is you calling the shots and being stubborn.

as for community sites being hosted on the XOOPS servers, they are XOOPS sites designed to help XOOPS users.

hell it's you users who use xoopsaddonsd. it was made for you. but because a few certain individuals had no say in it's development, then to them it is bad for xoops. grow up.

it is more than obvious here that XOOPS management does not adhere to, does not respect it's own site privacy statement & neither does it respect the security of it's users.

there are certain members here who have blatantly violated the Privacy statement of xoops.org, and there are members in control here that don't care that privacy and data protection acts worldwide have been breeched and are continually being breeched. the management does not respect the users or they would do something about the breeches. but they refuse to act.

and you think we're bad, we aren't breaking our own rules or divulging & allowing continuous breeches of privacy & security. is that how you want to conduct business?

the users on this site should be concerned that their accounts aren't their own, and they should be more concerned that the management refuses to act on that.

maybe we should continue with legal proceedings against marco for liableous comments. and maybe we should throw in the privacy act breeches aswell, and the managements refusal to act on it.

Re: Quick notification on dev.xoops.org status

siweb Published 11/04/2007 22:11 Not too shy to talk Joined 05/02/2004 Comments 150

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jdseymour wrote:
To be honest ..... as a server admin, full access was never needed to these servers as thsy are fully managed surpass servers, managed by surpass admins.

I have my server at Surpass for a few years, but I don't use their managing services. It's much quicker and easier to do it by myself. You need root access for WHM, installing software, investigation of hacking events etc..

The Foundation can regain root access at any time, if the server would be misused.

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jdseymour Published 11/04/2007 22:16 Friend of XOOPS Joined 11/11/2004 Comments 3782

My experience has been, as I have direct contact with the server admin via IM, any actions needed I can relay in real time. Sorry to disagree again.

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phppp Published 11/05/2007 1:31 XOOPS Contributor Joined 01/25/2004 Comments 2857

Poster: JAVesey
Quote:

However, I cannot understand why you have chosen to argue in open forum.

JAVesey, thank you for your concern.
I would love to see the issues being solved without influencing the Project.
However, I do hate personal deals in hidden place.

The fundamental difference is not for opinion, it is for the Foundation's position.
The Foundation was created for the Project, although it has never been required or recognized, thus it should be given back to the Project, instead of bing held by a couple of self-managed people.

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Catzwolf Published 11/05/2007 1:41 Updated 11/05/2007 1:42 Home away from home Joined 09/30/2007 Comments 1392

You know Herko, you talk about being here for the community but the real fact is you are NEVER here and it was your poilicy that has brought this situation about now.

The community fragmentation is a failure on not only your behalf with the foundation and the councils by not getting together with each another and working this out for the community and not your own self interest.

I for one am sick of this whole situation and the behaviour that has been around this site for the last few months. You all act like little children pointing the finger at each another and don't actually stop and think what you are all doing here to the people that use this software and try to support this project. You all should be ashamed.

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Mamba Published 11/05/2007 6:46 Moderator Joined 04/23/2004 Comments 11409

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DJ WTF do you need full root access?

vaughan, please stop these cussings! You have the right to disagree, but please make it in a more mature way. Your constant disrespectful way of talking down on people is not welcome here. The same is for others who are acting in a similar way.

Please stop it.

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Mamba Published 11/05/2007 6:56 Moderator Joined 04/23/2004 Comments 11409

Quote:

xoopsaddons is a community initiative. Hence, it is the community's express wish to fragment itself, based probably on the fact the that project was/is incapable of providing what the community needs. Therefore it took action upon itself to create xoopsaddons. The Foundation is just supporting the community.

herko, who is the community? Couple of people who decided to create XOOPSaddon? Did we have any voting on this as a community? Can you show me any discussion on this? There was some hidden discussion on XOOPSInfo by couple of people, but I don't think that it would qualify it as a "community"!

Are you trying to say that if me and couple more people come up with something related to XOOPS, you'll give me a space on the server?

What about if I start a new Foundation?

According to you if the entity "was/is incapable of providing what the community needs" then it would justify to take actions upon ourselves and create something new! So what about a new Foundation?

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Catzwolf Published 11/05/2007 7:31 Updated 11/05/2007 7:33 Home away from home Joined 09/30/2007 Comments 1392

Actually what about 'if the community decide to say stuff you all and lets go else where and do XOOPS the right way without you?' uh?

How about we decide lets create another fork of XOOPS and leave you all to your petty squabbles about onwership, servers and Egos.

Because you keep this up, someone will do it and do it better than you lot. [edit] and without a council or foundation help (Help: now that word doesn't apply to you people)

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damaster Published 11/05/2007 9:14 Updated 11/05/2007 9:21 Just can't stay away Joined 05/11/2003 Comments 556

Well, for the "fork" it was already done
Even if I don't really consider XOOPS Cube as fork
since it was started by the Ono, founder of XOOPS
and a team of devs.

But I see it as a logical suite of Xoops,
managing old code with Legacy and providing a
solida base for innovation and creativity.
It also exists without a Council or a Foundation!

But back to the topic!
Servers are technical stuff, required for development.
It's not about administrative foundation concerns.

As it was pointed out, it was acquired with community donations
for the community-drive project needs.
Not to host the private-club members of Herko's Foundation.

Thanks Marcan to set it free and send the passwords.
I hope you're not doing a step forward and two steps backward!...

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Catzwolf Published 11/05/2007 9:27 Home away from home Joined 09/30/2007 Comments 1392

Yeah yeah yeah, lets all jump over to Xoopscube and that will solve eveything. Well you first Nuno and we will all follow on later

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debianus Published 11/05/2007 10:39 Not too shy to talk Joined 12/17/2006 Comments 179

The first comment was did by Riosoft. Ten days and, what is the solution?.
Please, the spanish community had a lot of work in dev.xoops.org: 86 files (spanish translations, a lot of them were made by Riosoft).
At last, although the site can not open again, you could make a site in order to download the files.

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aph3x Published 11/05/2007 13:00 Theme Designer Joined 12/26/2004 Comments 834

Nice ..I've been gone for almost two weeks to find out I'm being accused of being part of a group of hackers, this regardless that i also lost stuff as i had an account on dev.xoops.org and i don't have the translations posted there on my hard disk anymore.

This was my last post on this site!

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gtop00 Published 11/05/2007 13:09 Friend of XOOPS Joined 11/13/2004 Comments 498

Please do not hurry. Read the latest news first! Something is moving on...

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Burning Published 11/05/2007 13:22 Theme Designer Joined 08/22/2006 Comments 1163

Quote:

This was my last post on this site!

... momentarily ? please

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davidl2 Published 11/05/2007 13:44 XOOPS is my life! Joined 05/26/2003 Comments 4843

As a member of the XOOPSAddon's team - Aph3x has been accused by someone in this thread of being responsible of hacking the dev.xoops server - as therefore has Vaughan, Debianus and others who have assisted with this community project.

I cannot blame him being upset over this....

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aph3x Published 11/05/2007 13:48 Theme Designer Joined 12/26/2004 Comments 834

I have 2 sites where i post my themes... on one site i also post translations and its in my best interest to have my files on as many sites as possible and i sent them files to whoever asked me to. I've spent nights translating the #OOPS# files were posted on dev.xoops and i didn't do it so that i can see my name on the publisher or whatever, i did for the community cause if i didn't wanted to share my works i wouldn't have posted them in the first place.

So yeah i helped as much as i could to putt up the xoopsaddons site and instead of a thank you, me and the others get in returned "you're hackers" ?!

Why bother to post here anymore then?!
If another designer's site is hacked you accuse me or the other designers as well?!

Why not accusing us for the hole in the ozone layer, the endangered species, the diminishing of tropical forests as well, should we take blame for "db connection time out" that occurs here every now and then?

I'll keep translating XOOPS in my language and keep making themes for it...tho they won't be posted here anymore as i really don't wanna be accused of free advertising for my site

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Published 11/05/2007 15:25 Joined Comments

Aph3x - you have PM.

I hope that Marco's ill-considered comments haven't cost us another valuable and much respected contributor.

Some folks should be hanging their heads in shame.

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Mamba Published 11/05/2007 18:35 Moderator Joined 04/23/2004 Comments 11409

Quote:

Aph3x - you have PM.

I hope that Marco's ill-considered comments haven't cost us another valuable and much respected contributor.

Some folks should be hanging their heads in shame.

And we should get a thicker skin!

Come on, guys! Some of the folks here need to grow up and behave more like mature responsible people.

But we don't need to be controlled by them and they behavior, and to even react to it! Keep your head up and keep working for the good of XOOPS.

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snow77 Published 11/11/2007 5:12 Just can't stay away Joined 07/23/2003 Comments 864

Until today's date I've seen no other "Quick notices" about the serious happenings in xoops, if I've missed some post please show me.

Is dev.xoops.org declared unrecovered and thrown to the trash bin or what are the actual plans in recovering it?

Many people are waiting and others probably lost hope.

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debianus Published 11/13/2007 10:02 Not too shy to talk Joined 12/17/2006 Comments 179

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Is dev.xoops.org declared unrecovered and thrown to the trash bin or what are the actual plans in recovering it?

.
Yes, and the spanish communities need an answer. All our translations (thanks, Riosoft) were in dev.xoops.org. I have sent several post about this issue but today there is no information.
Could anyone take a minute and tell us what is the situation?.
Just some as: well, we have a lot of problems and the site can not open anymore; take your files. Or: we are working and in two weeks we hope get a solution.

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tom Published 11/13/2007 10:26 Friend of XOOPS Joined 09/21/2002 Comments 1359

Why is it still down?

Cant something even temporary be done to release the files to the community?

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tom Published 11/13/2007 10:29 Friend of XOOPS Joined 09/21/2002 Comments 1359

Ohh I just read up and saw this:

Quote:

JAVesey, thank you for your concern.
I would love to see the issues being solved without influencing the Project.
However, I do hate personal deals in hidden place.

DJ are you trying out for comedy now?

Are we forgetting that something's or apologies have still not been made public. Are we forgetting about the original private council forum you created, amongst other things?

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