AMS 2.41 is publically released - Modules - XOOPS News

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

riosoft Published 03/21/2005 9:12 Not too shy to talk Joined 11/08/2003 Comments 191

Great work, Dominic.
Thnx

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

Tandy Published 03/21/2005 13:39 Not too shy to talk Joined 08/11/2003 Comments 110

Downloads do not seem to be working across a number of Sourceforge mirrors, such as Voxel, Aleron and Ibiblio. You might want to look into that.

I look forward to seeing this module. I am presently workng on a Xoops-based news website and this may be a welcome addition to the "Swiss Army Knife".

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

Mithrandir Published 03/21/2005 14:00 XOOPS is my life! Joined 06/21/2003 Comments 6320

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Downloads do not seem to be working across a number of Sourceforge mirrors, such as Voxel, Aleron and Ibiblio. You might want to look into that.

It takes a little while before the sf.net mirrors are all updated with this file. It was added 5 hours ago, so it is not yet guaranteed to be there.

Alternatively, you can get it from Brash's own site on http://www.it-hq.org

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

flabat Published 03/21/2005 18:25 Just popping in Joined 04/14/2004 Comments 17

Excellent work!

I think this was a great idea. Everybody benefits from this type of development!

Kudos

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

Kainaij Published 03/21/2005 22:04 Quite a regular Joined 10/05/2004 Comments 256

I have said it before and I will say it again here. The money I donated has been hands down the best investment I have made for my website. This modulde does exactly what I wanted it to do for me. I had been looking across many CMS systems and this one is by far the best.

Great job all around.

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

LazyBadger Published 03/21/2005 23:53 Updated 03/21/2005 23:57 Home away from home Joined 06/07/2004 Comments 1187

Well, I tried this "new" version...
It's
lame, ugly, buggy, never carefully tested piece of scrap.
Anybody wants facts?! Easy... See here
1. Subtopic "Soft" have image, but it doesn't shown in article (only in this subtopic)
2. Top-most topic is empty. why, goddam?! Check separate subtopics - soft, hard, bad news - they have articles!!! Where are these articles?
3. Where are 10 news on title page?
4. Why old bug (group by topic and 2-columns view) leave intact?!

Resume - AMS 2.41 is (in current form) unusable for big news-sites with wide themes tree (I have only 12 topics, some of which are sub-topics from parent, and 2-level tree only... in real life tree-brances can be longer and wider)

Clarification: "Unusable" with theme grouping and|or multicolumn view.

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

m0nty Published 03/22/2005 0:51 XOOPS is my life! Joined 10/24/2003 Comments 3337

Works ok to me :) great module.. now i got a load more templates to edit lol..

http://66.195.18.220/~wwcncom/chddemo/

even 2 column mode works.. not sure what your problems are Lazybadger.. have u updated the templates and cleared the cache folders?

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

brash Published 03/22/2005 1:14 Friend of XOOPS Joined 04/10/2003 Comments 2206

Thanks for the honest, bordering on spiteful, but none the less wildly inaccurate summation there Lazybager. I am sorry you do not like the module, but the "facts" you present are incorrect and at best only represent your personal opinion (which you're entitled to, but is not fact). I realize English is not your primary language, but if you do intend to so strongly criticize the hard work Mith and myself have put into this then please at least take the time to think about what you are going to say so that it is clear and objective. Calling it "lame, ugly, buggy, never carefully tested piece of scrap" is quite simply incorrect and hardly either clear or objective.

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1. Subtopic "Soft" have image, but it doesn't shown in article (only in this subtopic)

Did you actually set the article to display the topic image? You have a choice of no image, topic image or user avatar image. I have tested this and I get the correct image displayed for each option. In the event the user does not have an avatar the topic image is used.

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Top-most topic is empty. why, goddam?! Check separate subtopics - soft, hard, bad news - they have articles!!! Where are these articles?

You said it. Top most topic is empty which is exactly why there are no articles displayed there. Only articles of the specific topic are displayed in the list which is exactly why the articles published in the sub-topics do NOT appear. This is done by design! AMS 2.6 will be incorporating an option where the parent topic displays the most recently published topics from all sub-topics.

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Where are 10 news on title page?

You are using the "topic view" option. If you want the default view of having a list of the last published articles you'll need to select the "classic" view.

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Why old bug (group by topic and 2-columns view) leave intact?!

Don't know what "old bug" you are referring to here, can you explain in clear detail or point me to a specific example?

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Resume - AMS 2.41 is (in current form) unusable for big news-sites with wide themes tree (I have only 12 topics, some of which are sub-topics from parent, and 2-level tree only... in real life tree-brances can be longer and wider)

Clarification: "Unusable" with theme grouping and|or multicolumn view.

Incorrect! http://www.iis-resources.com for one uses AMS 2.41 and we get in excess of 10,000 page views a day. If you actually bothered to test it you'll see that the topic view only displays a maximum of 2 topic levels, after which it reverts to the standard "classic" view. This is done specifically to prevent the display for getting too wide for sites using topic structures several layers deep.

Granted I really need to lift my game in terms of clear and comprehensive documentation. However it would seem very clear to me LazyBadger that you are giving unfair and inaccurate "facts" without giving any significant time to actually using and testing the module before forming and publishing your opinion.

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

Rhomal Published 03/22/2005 3:10 Updated 03/22/2005 3:11 Quite a regular Joined 10/05/2004 Comments 274

While I did not find any show stopping bugs, after comparing hervet's news module to this I have to say, from a work efficient standpoint I perfer hervet's news module.

It is obvious the work that went into this but frankly I did not like the way certain admin (lack there of) functions are setup nor the way the module 'feels' while navigating.

Perhaps hervet's module retains the feel more of the default news module and thats why I perfer it.

I do not take away the capabilities of AMS, but it certainly is not the end all, be all. I think it comes down to a matter of taste. I perfer something a bit more familiar and friendly.

My 2 coppers.

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

brash Published 03/22/2005 3:17 Friend of XOOPS Joined 04/10/2003 Comments 2206

No worries Rhomal, there is no doubting Herve has done some outstanding work with the News module. AMS is just another option for users, just as SmartSection and the Articles are very similar (but not exactly the same) it just comes down to a personal taste thing. I'd be interested to know what admin functions are lacking though if you had time?

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

karedokx Published 03/22/2005 3:37 Quite a regular Joined 07/01/2004 Comments 319

thank you for bringing this great module to the community, brash.

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

dlh Published 03/22/2005 6:54 Joined 02/20/2002 Comments 182

Gentlemen,

Outstanding work....thank you very much for the contribution. Once upon a time, article management was one of XOOPS weakest areas. Now with News 1.3, AMS, WF-Sections (and others) it is one of XOOPS strongest.

Cheers,

Dan

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

Mithrandir Published 03/22/2005 12:09 XOOPS is my life! Joined 06/21/2003 Comments 6320

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It's lame, ugly, buggy, never carefully tested piece of scrap.

*extremely disappointed* of LazyBadger's comments. I had expected better of you than such strong language.

Ok, so you have spotted a template/theme problem with CSS positioning. Fantastic. Thank you for reporting that instead of going TOTALLY overboard with insulting, demanding words. Oh wait...

I'm trying to be civil here, but if that tone is what you feel is appropriate, maybe we should shout at each other in PMs instead, because to me it is totally and utterly unacceptable.

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

jonsimmonds Published 03/22/2005 21:57 Just popping in Joined 01/14/2005 Comments 48

Does AMS have support for RSS?

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

LazyBadger Published 03/22/2005 22:01 Home away from home Joined 06/07/2004 Comments 1187

Mith: I had only one target - catch you and Brash... I reach it. Now (if we agree will do it) we'll can continue in forum (or e-mail) - I'll explain what is so bad in this version (I dislike version, not AMS in common) from reader's (and partially webmaster's) side.
PS: I can argue all my 5 statements (well, except only one - I haven't complaint to quality of code)

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

manel Published 03/22/2005 23:09 Just popping in Joined 01/26/2003 Comments 32

Good work Brash

A little bug perhaps?. When I updated an article without modifying the version, AMS does not save the modifications.

Good day

Manel

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

LazyBadger Published 03/22/2005 23:36 Home away from home Joined 06/07/2004 Comments 1187

jonsimmonds:
Internally - no, but you (as I done it some time ago) add AMS-plugin into RSSFit

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

LazyBadger Published 03/22/2005 23:38 Home away from home Joined 06/07/2004 Comments 1187

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When I updated an article without modifying the version, AMS does not save the modifications.

It's indented style - and you have visible warning about it, when you editing article

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

brash Published 03/23/2005 0:36 Friend of XOOPS Joined 04/10/2003 Comments 2206

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LazyBadger wrote:

Mith: I had only one target - catch you and Brash... I reach it. Now (if we agree will do it) we'll can continue in forum (or e-mail) - I'll explain what is so bad in this version (I dislike version, not AMS in common) from reader's (and partially webmaster's) side.
PS: I can argue all my 5 statements (well, except only one - I haven't complaint to quality of code)

Catch us

? I didn't realise we were going anywhere!

I will bend over backwards to defend a persons right to express their own opinion Lazybadger. However there is a right and a wrong way about doing things, and without a shadow of a doubt the way in which you choose to conduct yourself with your initial comment is the wrong way.

The attitude you displayed in your comments represent the exact reason why people should not even bother making an effort to contribute anything, and is very destructive to the community spirit. We offer a module for use free of charge that we have both worked very hard on, and instead of taking the time to properly test and articulate a constructive response pointing out your items of concern in a calm and respectful manner, you choose to take on an attitude as if we had just drastically insulted one of your family members.

Like Mith I find it totally unacceptable, and am not interested in any giving any time to discussions with you regarding your concerns without receiveing an apology. There are much more effective, and socially acceptable ways of drawing attention to your concerns.

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

LazyBadger Published 03/23/2005 1:38 Home away from home Joined 06/07/2004 Comments 1187

It's your choice, and you have full rights do it. Except good way and bad way of commenting something are also good way and bad way doing something.
AMS 2.41 lost some points of usability for wide audience... and own unique "face" (compared to News 1.3), which it had in 2.2

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

pdajunkee Published 03/23/2005 1:57 Just popping in Joined 09/03/2004 Comments 53

As an innocent bystander watching this traffic accident unfold I have to say, great response.

I appreciate hearing candid comments about new modules from other members. If there's something wrong with it, you should feel free to post your concerns. But you're right. There's a right way and a wrong way to comment.

A poster looses credibility by publicly trashing others.

I have an idea for a new module. Allow members to create their own personal filter that excludes posts from other selected members?

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

Rhomal Published 03/23/2005 2:10 Quite a regular Joined 10/05/2004 Comments 274

>I'd be interested to know what admin functions are lacking though if you had time?

First and fore most I can edit a article right from the main page. I dont have a wind my way to and though the admin menus to correct a simple spelling error.

Also the new news has had koivi support before AMS.

And it seems less buggy from the reports I am seeing here. Makes me glad I dumped it for the new news module.

I just wish there was a reverse script to port my old news back to the news module from AMS as there was from news to AMS.

You might want to make one so ppl like myself who decide after some use AMS isnt for them are not stuck/forced with it.

I have over 6 months of news I cant afford to loose. (In 2-3 months I can prob uninstall it and kill the AMS news as it will be outdated and the new news module back log will be full enough. But thats not the point)

My 2 coppers

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

jegelstaff Published 03/23/2005 2:17 Module Developer Joined 07/02/2004 Comments 518

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I have an idea for a new module. Allow members to create their own personal filter that excludes posts from other selected members?

ROTFL!!!!

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

m0nty Published 03/23/2005 3:13 XOOPS is my life! Joined 10/24/2003 Comments 3337

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First and fore most I can edit a article right from the main page. I dont have a wind my way to and though the admin menus to correct a simple spelling error.

I think this is a good thing.. and the admin functions that are lacking like admin editing and submissions via admin panel were discussed in the 1st release, do we really have to read/discuss these discussions again?

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Also the new news has had koivi support before AMS.

so?? can't see the point of mentioning this. does it make any difference that the new news mod had it 1st?

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And it seems less buggy from the reports I am seeing here. Makes me glad I dumped it for the new news module.

at least u agree that it isn't as buggy as some comments suggest. it's your choice to choose which module you use.. but i can't see a reason to be adamant about not using it..

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I just wish there was a reverse script to port my old news back to the news module from AMS as there was from news to AMS.

You might want to make one so ppl like myself who decide after some use AMS isnt for them are not stuck/forced with it.

well they provide a script to migrate from news to ams as it's their module, i think that's enough in my opinion.. maybe a script to migrate from wf-section to AMS could be useful for some??

if you want to convert back to news i think personally that is more a job for the news module team (no disrespect to the news team, i think that's more or less what tends to happen anyway) what i'm saying is usually developers create scripts to convert from other modules to work with their own and not many do the reverse.

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I have over 6 months of news I cant afford to loose. (In 2-3 months I can prob uninstall it and kill the AMS news as it will be outdated and the new news module back log will be full enough. But thats not the point)

well it's obvious in every post you make that you don't like AMS.. AMS outdated?? i think you need to get some perspective as to development.. should it cease to be further developed after time, then fine but please don't make unfounded predictions because you like a different module..

i have no loyalties to either the AMS or news module both have their good points etc and it's hard to choose.. some of my sites use AMS and some use the News module and some use both!

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

brash Published 03/23/2005 3:37 Friend of XOOPS Joined 04/10/2003 Comments 2206

Thanks for the feedback Rhomal.

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First and fore most I can edit a article right from the main page. I dont have a wind my way to and though the admin menus to correct a simple spelling error.

There is an edit link displayed in the article view in AMS, just not the index or topic views. The reason for this is that if the module is cached and the cache is refreshed by an admin user, then the edit and delete links will be displayed to everyone regardless of wether they have admin access or not. These links will stay there until such a time the cache is again refreshed by a non admin user.

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Also the new news has had koivi support before AMS.

And it seems less buggy from the reports I am seeing here. Makes me glad I dumped it for the new news module.

AMS 2.4 was released 8th of Feb, and News 1.3RC1 was release on the 12th, not that a difference of a few days should have any bearing on module selection unless you're really pressed for time. News 1.3 does have wider support for WYSISYG editors though, something I hope to rectify in AMS 2.6.

I haven't seen any issues reported with AMS and Koivi (apart from redirect issue in Firefox which is not the fault of AMS) or News 1.3 for that matter.

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I just wish there was a reverse script to port my old news back to the news module from AMS as there was from news to AMS.

You might want to make one so ppl like myself who decide after some use AMS isnt for them are not stuck/forced with it.

As AMS is a paid development, I'm afraid you're on your own on that one. I can't justify spending my money, or contributions made by others for further development to create a script to migrate to other modules. If you choose to pay someone to develop one I'd be happy to include it in the main distribution, otherwise you'll have to wait until Herve has time to make one.

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

brash Published 03/23/2005 3:47 Friend of XOOPS Joined 04/10/2003 Comments 2206

Beat me to it M0nty . Damn I take a long time to make a post

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

Rhomal Published 03/23/2005 4:19 Quite a regular Joined 10/05/2004 Comments 274

>I think this is a good thing.. and the admin functions that are lacking like admin editing and submissions via admin panel were discussed in the 1st release, do we really have to read/discuss these discussions again?

He asked what I was refering to and I told him. You want me to lie just so I dont step on the toes of another thread? Get a clue.

> so?? can't see the point of mentioning this. does it make any difference that the new news mod had it 1st?

To someone who LIKES a wysiwyg editor apparently so or I wouldnt have mentioned it huh?

> at least u agree that it isn't as buggy as some comments suggest. it's your choice to choose which module you use.. but i can't see a reason to be adamant about not using it..

Again I am on 2.2, since AMS is no longer my active news module I saw no reason to upgrade to the new version. From what I see in this thread it seems theres some bugs that need to be ironed out.

> well it's obvious in every post you make that you don't like AMS.. AMS outdated?? i think you need to get some perspective as to development..

And I think you need to READ my post again. My ams NEWS will be outdated thus in a few months of building new news I can uninstall it and it will matter not.

> well they provide a script to migrate from news to ams as it's their module, i think that's enough in my opinion..

> There is an edit link displayed in the article view in AMS, just not the index or topic views. The reason for this is that if the module is cached and the cache is refreshed by an admin user, then the edit and delete links will be displayed to everyone regardless of wether they have admin access or not. These links will stay there until such a time the cache is again refreshed by a non admin user.

Not everyone uses cache.. so its a poorly missed feature to us that dont.

> AMS 2.4 was released 8th of Feb, and News 1.3RC1 was release on the 12th, not that a difference of a few days should have any bearing on module selection unless you're really pressed for time. News 1.3 does have wider support for WYSISYG editors though, something I hope to rectify in AMS 2.6.

Posted by hervet on 2005/3/13 - News module final

Posted by brash on 2005/3/20 - AMS 2.41

I have been using his module since the 13th. I wasnt following AMS so I really didnt recall/relaize when you were going to relaase the pay version to the public. At the time I saw a module that had more functionality and went for it. I agree its only a week and not a huge issue in the big picture. But at the time I was looking to port over ASAP to something else. So at that time the added features mattered and looked appealing.

> As AMS is a paid development, I'm afraid you're on your own on that one.

I realize that.. just wishful thinking out loud on my part :)

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

m0nty Published 03/23/2005 4:43 XOOPS is my life! Joined 10/24/2003 Comments 3337

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To someone who LIKES a wysiwyg editor apparently so or I wouldnt have mentioned it huh?

well at least that cleared that up i think.. ams has a wysiwyg in this version.. i just didn't see the relevance of ur post mentioning that news1.3 had this before AMS..

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Again I am on 2.2, since AMS is no longer my active news module I saw no reason to upgrade to the new version. From what I see in this thread it seems theres some bugs that need to be ironed out.

that's fine too if ur not using it then no need to upgrade.

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And I think you need to READ my post again. My ams NEWS will be outdated thus in a few months of building new news I can uninstall it and it will matter not.

i did read ur post twice.. and i apologise for the confusion of mine.. i thought u meant that AMS itself would be outdated compared to the NEWS module, not that you meant just ur version of it. it's your reference to AMS NEWS i thought u were comparing it between both.. as i don't call AMS a news module i call it an article module. again i'm glad u made it more clearer..

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

jonsimmonds Published 03/23/2005 8:30 Just popping in Joined 01/14/2005 Comments 48

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jonsimmonds:
Internally - no, but you (as I done it some time ago) add AMS-plugin into RSSFit

Is there such a pluggin around? tried a basic search but could not find anything

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

Mithrandir Published 03/23/2005 8:44 XOOPS is my life! Joined 06/21/2003 Comments 6320

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LazyBadger wrote:
Again I am on 2.2, since AMS is no longer my active news module I saw no reason to upgrade to the new version. From what I see in this thread it seems theres some bugs that need to be ironed out.

LOL

AMS 2.2 had some quite severe bugs that have been fixed. There is ONE in 2.41 which as far as I can see has to do with div positioning and padding.

But you can do what you want. I lost all respect for you after that first comment.

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

brash Published 03/23/2005 9:17 Friend of XOOPS Joined 04/10/2003 Comments 2206

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jonsimmonds wrote:

Is there such a pluggin around? tried a basic search but could not find anything

I did write an AMS plug-in for RSSFit a while back, must track down where I put it. When I find it I'll put it on my site for download.

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

Rhomal Published 03/23/2005 9:53 Updated 03/23/2005 9:55 Quite a regular Joined 10/05/2004 Comments 274

> AMS 2.2 had some quite severe bugs that have been fixed. There is ONE in 2.41 which as far as I can see has to do with div positioning and padding.

It might have.. I really didnt use it very long to discover them. It worked good enough, but as I stated I didnt like the feel/layout. And I perfered the koivi editor.

But you just proved my point it does have issues and its prob a good thing I am not using it anymore. Thankfully I didnt get suckered into paying for this sub-par thing.

> But you can do what you want. I lost all respect for you after that first comment.

Yes I will. And I care what you think because...? As if a person should care what a stranger on the internet thinks of him/her. *shrugs*

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

Chappy Published 03/23/2005 10:20 Friend of XOOPS Joined 12/14/2002 Comments 456

Change the tenor of things around here...

I heve been using AMS since it first came out. I have found that it is well supported by Brash and by Mith. In my own miniscule way, I have also supported it (and would/will do so again - if the critical crowd doesn't kill the spirit of the developers). I like it's features and chose it over news1.3 (which is also an excellent module), though it was close. I have had no complaints from visitors to my site; indeed, they seem to like it as well.

I, for one, am tired of seeing people egregiously criticize releases of this module in particular, and modules in general. It kills the spirit of development and community. If you don't like something, say so politely and specifically, or move on. From where I sit, gratitude, kindness and decency must be part of this community or the community will die.

My thanks to all those who give remarable amounts of time to developing a better xoops...

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

m0nty Published 03/23/2005 11:08 XOOPS is my life! Joined 10/24/2003 Comments 3337

i think the ridiculing of this particular module should stop too.. i don't know y it seems to drag such ridicule...

and @rhomal, ok so it has a couple of bugs that's fine. it's fine that u don't like how it looks, but i can't understand ur particular ridicule and obsession with the bugs in this module.

ur now using news 1.3, which also has some bugs, i also got errors when installing news 1.3 as have others, but i had no probs installing it on a few different sites. but I don't actually see you ridiculing or complaining about the bugs in news 1.3.. and hervet as said he will make a converter for ams > news over a week ago, so no need to ask brash to make 1 really was there?

i might be wrong, but from my point of view and opinion i just think that you don't like this module at all, but that's not a reason to be flamboyant in your posts regarding this module especially when ur stated basis for not using it is because of some minor bugs, especially when the module you now use also has it's share of the bug line and you don't ridicule that module.

now onto AMS itself.. not a major issue Brash, but would it be possible to have the submit page templatable at all in the next version? i know i know :P after all these posts that's the only issue i have with it.. lol

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

brash Published 03/23/2005 11:44 Friend of XOOPS Joined 04/10/2003 Comments 2206

@ jonsimmonds

I've uploaded the AMS plugin for RSSFit 1.03 to my site. You can download it here.

@ m0nty

We can look into templating the submit page, but can't promise anything as there are several permissions checks that get done there which do not suit a template (and therefore cache) set up.

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

m0nty Published 03/23/2005 11:50 XOOPS is my life! Joined 10/24/2003 Comments 3337

thanks brash, i thought there was probably a good reason for it not being templated (now i know) :)

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

Chainsaw Published 03/23/2005 11:53 Quite a regular Joined 09/28/2003 Comments 304

Let me see if I got this right....

Those of you who do not like AMS... you don't use it right? Some of you used to, but now you don't , so you feel you have the right to be critical about this module, right?

Hmmm... and you've not paid any donation for it right????

Hmmm... and so far you have not offered to help or contribute any constructive criticism in the spirit of Open Source... you just like to whinge about it... right????

OK now I got the picture

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

Mithrandir Published 03/23/2005 13:15 XOOPS is my life! Joined 06/21/2003 Comments 6320

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But you just proved my point it does have issues and its prob a good thing I am not using it anymore. Thankfully I didnt get suckered into paying for this sub-par thing.

Wow. AMS has one issue with one template in one type of front-page view. Therefore it is sub-par?
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> But you can do what you want. I lost all respect for you after that first comment.

Yes I will. And I care what you think because...? As if a person should care what a stranger on the internet thinks of him/her. *shrugs*

Will you get off it? I quote LazyBadger. I WRITE that I quote LazyBadger. And you still feel targeted?

LazyBadger had earned respect from me through his setup of modules.xoops2.ru - that respect, he has now lost. You, Rhomal, have never given me any reason to respect you and therefore there is no respect to lose.

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

malexandria Published 03/23/2005 14:36 Quite a regular Joined 12/23/2001 Comments 281

Great work Mith and Brash! I know I asked this awhile ago, but I forgot the response, can you again point out the major differences between the
News 1.3 and this one - beyond the Audience level thing, because I'm not quite sure what that does. I'm going to update to one of these mods this weekend, and I'd like to know what the feature differences are. Although I did see that you took my advice regarding the Reads and Article Stats, which for me is a MAJOR selling poin t for AMS!

Thanks in advance, and again, great work guys.

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

Rhomal Published 03/23/2005 15:23 Quite a regular Joined 10/05/2004 Comments 274

>Wow. AMS has one issue with one template in one type of front-page view. Therefore it is sub-par?

Again i was refering to 2.2. Perhaps I went overboard. It was late and I was tired when I posted that. If so my appologizes.

> Will you get off it? I quote LazyBadger.

Then thats my misunderstanding. I though that was still directed at me. If so my bad.

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

Rhomal Published 03/23/2005 15:29 Quite a regular Joined 10/05/2004 Comments 274

> Hmmm... and so far you have not offered to help or contribute any constructive criticism in the spirit of Open Source...

Dont get me started again on this. The 'spirit' of open source went out the window with this module long ago.

Or do we need to bring up the fact if you paid for this module, and gave it to others (as you are allowed to do per the GPL legally) brash bans you from his site/downloading any more updates ahead of the public release.

If you going to get on your soapbox the thump on your spirit of open source bible point the fingers where they belong please.

And I did CLEARLY state what my issues with the module are. The bugs are a side issue IMO and I am not the one who ever brought that topic up. Thus I feel I gave my feedback and did all I could. So lets not drown the facts in drama shall we?

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

jonsimmonds Published 03/23/2005 16:00 Just popping in Joined 01/14/2005 Comments 48

Quote:

@ jonsimmonds

I've uploaded the AMS plugin for RSSFit 1.03 to my site. You can download it here.

Thanks! much appricated

keep up the good work

Jon

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

Kainaij Published 03/23/2005 16:05 Quite a regular Joined 10/05/2004 Comments 256

This conversation is utter BS. AMS 2.41 is an excellent module. True yes in 2.2-2.4 it had some bugs that needed ironing out, but have you fellas who bash even tried 2.41 (no less donated)? I've had it for a few weeks now (because I donated) and I have zero complaints. It is rock solid.

Of course it did take some testing to get to know the system but Dom has always been more than helpful, going beyond what I asked on more than one occasion to give me direction.

Now with these personal jabs that are being thrown I cannot understand. If those who choose to bash AMS 2.41 specifically, I will take them to task. Feature for feature. You may bash 2.4 or even 2.2 (why not start a forum thread elsewhere why you do not like those versions).

Leave 2.41 out of this.

If I may make one suggestion Dom, hold back the major releases for continuing donors (i.e. 2.2-2.4-2.6) but release the bug fix versions (i.e. 2.41) to the public sooner. That way the whackos who choose to bash a free module won’t have time to load up their ammo.

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

Rhomal Published 03/23/2005 20:16 Quite a regular Joined 10/05/2004 Comments 274

On the flip side, so it does not seem I am being overly critical, I do congratulate you for at least starting to get koivi and other advanced editor support started.

I had to go to Herve to help me insert his editor into a different module as that module creater gave some paranoid security speal about why he wont tell those on his forums how to insert a non-DHTML editor into his module.

I think koivi should become the default editor for XOOPS and Herve deserves much credit for all his hard work. But thats another topic.

None the less I think this is certainly the way to go, adding more advanced editor support (for this and IMO all modules), and on that level I give AMS credit and tip my hat for your foresight.

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

m0nty Published 03/23/2005 20:28 Updated 03/23/2005 20:31 XOOPS is my life! Joined 10/24/2003 Comments 3337

Edited: you are right, m0nty, we do not want that discussion reopened.

/Mith

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

Rhomal Published 03/23/2005 20:36 Updated 03/23/2005 20:37 Quite a regular Joined 10/05/2004 Comments 274

*following lead above*

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

domineaux Published 03/23/2005 23:40 Quite a regular Joined 09/29/2002 Comments 389

I dl and installed the 2.41 and all seemed to work well.

When I clicked on the Menu/articles I get a blank screen.

The articles are still in the MySql, so I'm wondering if the call to the articles might be corrupted somehow.

mydomain.com/modules/AMS/ is on the address line and the screen is blank.

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

brash Published 03/24/2005 0:41 Updated 03/24/2005 1:08 Friend of XOOPS Joined 04/10/2003 Comments 2206

Quote:

domineaux wrote:

I dl and installed the 2.41 and all seemed to work well.

When I clicked on the Menu/articles I get a blank screen.

The articles are still in the MySql, so I'm wondering if the call to the articles might be corrupted somehow.

mydomain.com/modules/AMS/ is on the address line and the screen is blank.

If this is an update from AMS 2.2 did you run the update scripts as per the UPGRADE.txt file in AMS root directory? If not you will need to do this as there are several modifications to existing tables and a new table needs to be created for the Spotlight data. Also, if you are using custom templates you will need to regenerate them.

Quote:

Kainaij wrote:

If I may make one suggestion Dom, hold back the major releases for continuing donors (i.e. 2.2-2.4-2.6) but release the bug fix versions (i.e. 2.41) to the public sooner. That way the whackos who choose to bash a free module won’t have time to load up their ammo.

Thanks for the suggestion Kainaij , and in a perfect world scenario that would definitely work. Actually, in a perfect world scenario I wouldn't have to stage releases at all as people would donate toward what they use (not just AMS but for all open source).

Unfortunately this is just not realistic. I've just done a breakdown of all AMS donations to date, and the results show that small donations are vital to the future of AMS unless I can snare some businesses into footing the bill. Some facts about donations to date;

- More than 83.6% of all AMS donations are $20 or less.

- The Net sum (after Paypal fees) of all donations of $20 or less make up over 54.8% of all donated AMS funds (excluding initial development funds).

- Between http://www.it-hq.org and Xoops.org there have been 4593 downloads of AMS (both version) at the time of writting this. That is a contribution to download percentage of 1.3% (not taking into account several people who have contributed mulitple times).

What you can see from this is that if I did not stage the releases as I do, then the need to make a contribution would be removed and AMS would become underfunded to the point where we'd probably only be able to make one release a year. Not saying that all people making these smaller donations are doing so just because it is the only way to get early access to AMS (I know a lot also contribute because they can see the wider benefits to the XOOPS community), but they would certainly make up a decent percentage.

I am considering some changes for the release schedule for future versions, but I am still to sort out the details. The same basic structure of paying to get early access to new versions and priority support will still be used though. I'm not really that concerned if these "whackos" approve of this method or not, and believe that anyone who does oppose it is either doing so for self centered reasons (wanting everything for themselves at someone elses cost) or just not seeing the big picture (by choice or otherwise). All arguments against the way AMS is developed to date have been VERY shallow, and those that aren't I have had solid reasons for not using.

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

seth_sd Published 03/24/2005 1:54 Friend of XOOPS Joined 11/09/2004 Comments 158

I do not use AMS but have read this thread with interest. I think that Brash has utilized a method of getting a module developed to fit his needs that also makes it's way to the rest of us for free...what's wrong with that? It appears as though the criticism must be rooted in this?

If I, as a "non-developer", am in need of a module to fit my needs exactly what are my options?

1.I could foot the bill myself and release it to the community free of charge. A very nice thing to do but I am sure my wife would not allow that to come to fruition.

2. I could do what Brash does and spread the cost across multiple people that have the same need and release it to the community free of charge at a later date...probably in the same amount of time that would elapse in the above scenario.

3.The most common scenario is that the module never comes to be as the criticism, time, money and effort are just not worth it.

Brash - I would just continue on doing what your doing and know that the people not saying anything are the ones that agree with your approach and appreciate what you and Mith have done. Don't waste your time!

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

brash Published 03/24/2005 8:25 Friend of XOOPS Joined 04/10/2003 Comments 2206

Hey Jon,

It looks like RSSFit 1.1 has just been released from http://www.brandycoke.com and there is an AMS plugin included in the extra plug-ins download. Pretty excited about this module as Jeff and Myself from IIS-Resouces and Stefanos from http://www.karagos.com (same guy who sponsored AMS 2.41) paid Tuff to make some pretty major changes to RSSFit (it is about 80% new code). This is another module that is paid for by those who had need for it and is now released to everyone to use free of charge .

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

skara Published 03/24/2005 12:24 Friend of XOOPS Joined 09/24/2004 Comments 84

RSSFit 1.1 is a super module and the ads option is a killer!
as AMS of course ;)

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

jonsimmonds Published 03/24/2005 12:24 Just popping in Joined 01/14/2005 Comments 48

Quote:

Hey Jon,

It looks like RSSFit 1.1 has just been released from http://www.brandycoke.com and there is an AMS plugin included in the extra plug-ins download. Pretty excited about this module as Jeff and Myself from IIS-Resouces and Stefanos from http://www.karagos.com (same guy who sponsored AMS 2.41) paid Tuff to make some pretty major changes to RSSFit (it is about 80% new code). This is another module that is paid for by those who had need for it and is now released to everyone to use free of charge .

Thanks for the info :) downloading now!

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

domineaux Published 03/24/2005 19:19 Updated 03/24/2005 21:32 Quite a regular Joined 09/29/2002 Comments 389

STILL NOT WORKING

Following instructions for install from upgrade.txt document.

I log in on mydomain as admin.

I point to mydomain/modules/AMS/upgrade.

I get a small three row box called upgrade.

I selected the bottom choice to upgrade the AMS, because I'm not using NEWS module cross to AMS.

I get error message

Failed creating table xoops_ams_spotlight.
Failed updating table xoops_ams_topics.

Proceed - I click on this

I then get the upgrade module box, which I click on and get the listing of upgraded files.

I click back to homepage and then click on Menu for Articles.

I get a blank screen with address line reading

mydomain.com/modules/AMS/

Sorry I'm just swamped so I haven't had enough time to really get into the module and work through this.

I'm sure it's something simple I've missed.

I'd appreciate any thoughts on this.

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

brash Published 03/25/2005 3:25 Friend of XOOPS Joined 04/10/2003 Comments 2206

Do you have any sort of MySQL admin tool (PHPMyAdmin , etc) you can use to look at the structure of your AMS database tables? First step we need to do is to ensure that the xoops_ams_spotlight table has actually ben created. Until we can be sure that the new xoops_ams_spotlight has been created and the xoops_ams_topics has been modified then the upgrade just isn't going to work.

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

domineaux Published 03/25/2005 17:09 Quite a regular Joined 09/29/2002 Comments 389

Reviewing the AMS portion of MySql through PHPADMIN --->

The xoops_ams_spotlight was not created

Structure for xoops_ams_topic:

topic_id
topic_pid
topic_imgurl
topic_title
banner
banner_inherit
forum_id

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

Mithrandir Published 03/25/2005 17:13 XOOPS is my life! Joined 06/21/2003 Comments 6320

What about running the upgrade while MySQL debug is on? Any red queries in the debug popup?

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

domineaux Published 03/25/2005 19:28 Updated 03/25/2005 19:40 Quite a regular Joined 09/29/2002 Comments 389

This is what I get with MySQL Debug on, when I click mydomain.com
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SELECT * FROM xoops_ams_topics ORDER BY weight
Error number: 1054
Error message: Unknown column 'weight' in 'order clause'

This error re-iterates 7 times.

I also have Mysql data above and below these error messages.

-----------------------

Maybe I should just save out the articles Copy/paste into Word and then re-install the AMS as a new install.

The 2.2 version has been working great, no compaints from users.

----------------------

Here's what I get when I click on Menu/articles

with PHP debug

Fatal error: Call to a member function on a non-object in /home/mydomainc/public_html/portal/modules/AMS/class/class.newsstory.php on line 796
Notice [PHP]: Use of undefined constant _MI_TMSENDER_DESC - assumed '_MI_TMSENDER_DESC' in file modules/tmsender/xoops_version.php line 4
Notice [PHP]: Undefined index: 1 in file modules/AMS/class/class.newsstory.php line 82
Notice [PHP]: Undefined index: 2 in file modules/AMS/class/class.newsstory.php line 82
Notice [PHP]: Undefined index: 2 in file modules/AMS/class/class.newsstory.php line 82
Notice [PHP]: Undefined index: 2 in file modules/AMS/class/class.newsstory.php line 82
Notice [PHP]: Undefined index: 2 in file modules/AMS/class/class.newsstory.php line 82

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

Mithrandir Published 03/25/2005 19:46 XOOPS is my life! Joined 06/21/2003 Comments 6320

are there red queries, when you run the AMS update script?

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

domineaux Published 03/25/2005 20:29 Quite a regular Joined 09/29/2002 Comments 389

When I point to mydomain/modules/AMS/upgrade

Here it is MYSQL DEBUG when I run update from the 3row block, activating bottom row for update.

This is not from the admin/modules/update

-------------MySql DEBUG MESSAGE----
SELECT * FROM xoops_config WHERE (conf_modid = 0 AND conf_catid = 1) ORDER BY conf_order ASC
SELECT sess_data FROM xoops_session WHERE sess_id = 'abf32e607ff744926666ea121dea14d9'
SELECT * FROM xoops_users WHERE uid=1
SELECT * FROM xoops_modules WHERE dirname = 'AMS'
SELECT * FROM xoops_config WHERE (conf_modid = 26) ORDER BY conf_order ASC
SELECT * FROM xoops_group_permission WHERE (gperm_name = 'module_admin' AND gperm_modid = 1 AND (gperm_groupid = 1 OR gperm_groupid = 1))

ALTER TABLE xoops_ams_topics ADD `weight` int(5) default 1
Error number: 0
Error message: Database update not allowed during processing of a GET request
CREATE TABLE xoops_ams_spotlight ( `spotlightid` int(11) unsigned NOT NULL auto_increment, `showimage` tinyint(1) default 1, `image` varchar (255), `teaser` text, `autoteaser` tinyint(1) default 1, `maxlength` int(5) default 100, `display` tinyint(1) default 1, `mode` tinyint(1) default 1, `storyid` int(12) default 0, `topicid` int(12) default 0, `weight` int(5) default 1, PRIMARY KEY (`spotlightid`) ) TYPE=MyISAM
Error number: 0
Error message: Database update not allowed during processing of a GET request

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

Mithrandir Published 03/25/2005 20:36 XOOPS is my life! Joined 06/21/2003 Comments 6320

Lemme get this straight (just clarifying):

1. You login to your site
2. You go to http://www.example.com/modules/AMS/upgrade/index.php
3. You select "Update Article Management System Module"

and get this error? I don't understand it... it IS using a POST request.

However, you should be able to get it going by manually applying the ALTER TABLE and CREATE TABLE queries via a tool like phpmyadmin.

Still don't understand why you experience this.

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

jegelstaff Published 03/25/2005 20:58 Module Developer Joined 07/02/2004 Comments 518

I'm jumping in late on this one and have not read the entire discussion, but isn't that error message the standard thing that the xoopsDB query method returns, but that method can fail due to a referrer check as well as things coming from GET? Could this be a referrer problem?

Good luck,

--Julian

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

Mithrandir Published 03/25/2005 21:03 XOOPS is my life! Joined 06/21/2003 Comments 6320

Yep, you are right. But since Domineaux is such an experienced XOOPS'er, I didn't consider this

(*cough* lame excuse for not spotting this myself )

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

rowdie Published 03/25/2005 21:58 Just can't stay away Joined 07/21/2004 Comments 846

LOL

still doesn't change my opinion about that debug message.

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

domineaux Published 03/26/2005 1:03 Updated 03/26/2005 1:08 Quite a regular Joined 09/29/2002 Comments 389

OK Mithrandr

Here is how the upgrade.txt file reads:

UPGRADING INSTRUCTIONS:

Upgrade from AMS 2.2
1) Upload all files in this package - overwrite existing files
2) Log in to the site
3) Point your browser to modules/AMS/upgrade
4) Select "Update module" - you will be passed on to the module administration's update, but an update script will have run prior to that, so it is important not just going to modules administration and then updating (this is a one-time database update, so if you update the module later, e.g. after changing the templates, you will not need to update the module through here)

In order to import topics, articles, permissions, comments and attachments from an existing News module
1) Log in as administrator to the site
2) Go to [yoursite]/modules/AMS/upgrade
3) Follow instructions on screen
NOTE: If you decide to import comments from News, they WILL NO LONGER BE IN THE NEWS MODULE.
Comments are moved - NOT copied

Thank you

Jan Keller Pedersen A.K.A Mithrandir
email: jkp@web-udvikling.dk
web: http://www.web-udvikling.dk
-------------------------

What I was doing

Exactly what it says:

1) Log in as administrator to the site
2) Go to [yoursite]/modules/AMS/upgrade
3) Follow instructions on screen

You can actually run upgrade script from the AMS core, which is probably just an oversite in testing.

You clarified the process when you said,

mydomain/modules/AMS/upgrade/index.php

That is not what the text file says.

I'd have picked up on it with an /AMS/upgrade/(slash behind the upgrade) in text document indicating upgrade was a folder instead of an upgrade script, which I thought it was.

I saw the folder, but I guess I'm too explicit about logic elements -- for some reason

Regardless, you're a good guy and I appreciate your sticking to this one for a solution.

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

m0nty Published 03/26/2005 9:27 XOOPS is my life! Joined 10/24/2003 Comments 3337

Quote:

mydomain/modules/AMS/upgrade/index.php

That is not what the text file says.

I'd have picked up on it with an /AMS/upgrade/(slash behind the upgrade) in text document indicating upgrade was a folder instead of an upgrade script, which I thought it was.

i had no problems with just using the url " /AMS/upgrade " on a couple servers..

but have noticed on some servers if u don't put the ' / ' on the end of the url then you get a page not found or forbidden error..

the index.php isn't needed it's just the ' / ' that's needed.. it seems to be a server config..

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

LazyBadger Published 03/26/2005 10:49 Home away from home Joined 06/07/2004 Comments 1187

Quote:

but have noticed on some servers if u don't put the ' / ' on the end of the url then you get a page not found or forbidden error..

It's really a matter of some hosts configs. Namely - when host created not as virtual host in apache, but as alias... So-called "trailing slash problem"
Full URI is safe always...
Can't comment IIS settings - it's not my game

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

domineaux Published 04/04/2005 20:27 Quite a regular Joined 09/29/2002 Comments 389

I'm using AMS on a site where the admin would like to have a more feature rich editor for creating color/image rich articles.

Is there an editor that will work now? If not is there one planned that will work well with the AMS?

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

brash Published 04/04/2005 23:10 Friend of XOOPS Joined 04/10/2003 Comments 2206

Next version of AMS will support all the main editors (same as NewBB2), as for specifics of what their capabilities are in relation to your needs you'll have to read up on each editor.

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

mixx86 Published 09/05/2007 13:31 Just popping in Joined 06/22/2005 Comments 14

Hi all!

Whatever happened to this converter?

It has come to that I need to convert from AMS back to News, as AMS clearly will not be worked on anymore.

I COULD do it by hand, but it would take forever with years of news in the tables.

Anyone got a solution to this?

Thanks all.

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

Xman04 Published 09/05/2007 13:48 Not too shy to talk Joined 07/12/2004 Comments 180

Quote:

It has come to that I need to convert from AMS back to News, as AMS clearly will not be worked on anymore.

Actually, there was an announcement a while back that someone is taking over the responsibility for AMS, and will be developing or fine tuning it further. I haven't heard anything ever since.

Here is the link to the announcement:

Link to recent AMS announcement

Re: AMS 2.41 is publically released

NovaSmart Published 09/06/2007 1:03 Module Developer Joined 06/01/2007 Comments 158

Yess... now it my responsibility. I'm waiting for XOOPS 2.1.17 (which just release) to release before release new AMS. You can expect as early as next week for AMS 2.42 release (after i do extensive testing).

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