Koivi WYSIWYG editor intergration. Your choice of using the default Xoops editor or Koivi editor selectable via AMS preferences. When using koivi editor also has a separate area for the article description as well as the main area for putting your article, so there is no need for use of the [extend] tag anymore.
NOTE: You MUST install Koivi editor seperately before this feature can be used. you can download Koivi from here
Advanced Spotlight management. Choose your AMS spotlight block layout from three different template layouts, and add unlimited spotlight blocks with the option to display article mini stats including total articles, total article reads and total article comments. The all new spotlight block administration area allows you to configure exactly how and where to display your AMS spotlight item. From here you can add new spotlight items, selecting the latest article, the latest article in a topic, a specific article, or use the custom setting to display an image or banner using straight HTML code. You can also set things such as what image to display, wether to use an auto or manual teaser, how many characters the auto teaser should display, what text a manual teaser should contain, wether to display the spotlight item in the spotlight block or not, and item weighting where the lowest weighted item is treated as the main spotlight item.
Complete migration and upgrade script. This script enables you to migrate all content, permissions and comments from all presently released version of the News module. It also enables you to upgrade from AMS 2.2.
View by topic revamped. The view by topic view has undergone a huge overhaul and now presents itself with much more emphasis on navigation via topic and sub-topic.
New breadcrumb navigation system viewable in the topic and article views for easier browsing.
Topics Manger. Topics manager now has a topic weighting system so you can set the listing order when using the view by topic mode.
Article image selection. You can now select to display the user avatar in addition to the topic or no image when viewing an article.
BUGFIXES
Webmasters are no longer able to submit articles unless they have the submit permission to that topic. This will get rid of these errors when a non existant topic ID is entered against the article and the article is orphaned.
Fatal error: Call to a member function on a non-object in path\to\xoops\modules\AMS\class\class.newsstory.php on line 740
Notice [PHP]: Undefined index: 0 in file path\to\xoops\modules\AMS\class\class.newsstory.php line 82
Details here
The default audience level is no longer able to be deleted. This will avoid orphaned articles in the event that users with the submit permission, but not the approve permission submit articles where the default audience ID is set to one, and the user is unable to select which audience level to use.
Navigate thru topics block. The navigate through topics block has been enhanced so that AMS level permissions are able to (if selected to do so) dictate what menu items are actually displayed no matter where you view the block from on your site. Formerly the restrict topics to viewable by user option did not restrict the menu items listed when view content outside of the AMS module.
Setting blocks to be visable on all pages results in a bank page where $xoopsModule is not being set on the top page, if the top page module is set to "none" .
Details here
class.newsstory.php' included twice in submit.php.
Details here
Fatal PHP error when changing block order.
Details here
UPGRADE INSTRUCTIONS
Please read the UPGRADE.txt in the AMS root directory for upgrade isntructions from AMS 2.2 and the News module
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Re: Donator Version Of AMS 2.4 Released!
[To the site admins] Please don't turn this space on xoops.org into a display window for commercial/donation-based announces. A thread in the forums is more than enough. All this,IMHO.
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This announcement is fully within the limits we set to commercial announcements. This is a XOOPS module developed for the XOOPS community, and all they're asking for is donations to fund development. I definately don't see anything wrong with that. This is a Free Software community, but Free as in free speech, not free beer...
Herko
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so those who cannot wait for public release (mid march) can download now if they donate $10?
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"donation is required" = charging for the software. You can't REQUIRE a donation, or it is no longer a donation.
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Why reopen this discussion? These points were made when the first release of AMS was made.
If you don't want to donate, wait until the public release around mid-March.
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Thanks for continuing development on this module.
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DONATION - definition from gcide Donation \Do*na"tion\, n. [L. donatio; cf. F. donation.] 1. The act of giving or bestowing; a grant. [1913 Webster]
After donation there is an absolute change and alienation of the property of the thing given. --South. [1913 Webster]
DONATION - definition from wn donation n 1: a voluntary gift (as of money or service or ideas) made to some worthwhile cause [syn: contribution] 2: act of giving in common with others for a common purpose especially to a charity [syn: contribution]
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I personally applaud this approach!
I think XOOPS should have an donation based incubator program for projects just like these! There are several projects that should be financed and completed with continued development support.
1) Integrated newsletter with autogenerated content hooks. 2) Completed myReviews module (though it's pretty good). 3) Module/block generator for diplays of queried data tables. 4) Obviously continued work on NewBB 2. 5) Advanced blogging capabilities. 6) XOOPS own integrated shopping cart (build for XOOPS by Xoops). 7) Media Manager (extension and expansion of Image Manager) to support Flash, Music, Video files. 8) More theme developement for advanced quality themes.
Outstanding work. I see some of the SuperSpotLight code was used...does that mean I get a free copy? Just kidding...$10 is perfectly acceptable for an advance copy!
Thank you!
Dan
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Outstanding work. I see some of the SuperSpotLight code was used...does that mean I get a free copy? Just kidding...$10 is perfectly acceptable for an advance copy!
I know you are just kidding, but I want to stress that I have looked at how the SuperSpotlight block presented articles, because it was more or less a requirement that it should look like that, but I have in no way copied any code from SuperSpotlight (no offense intended, but when AMS is publicly released, you can see how the code for the Spotlight feature is vastly different - and IMO better)
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so those who cannot wait for public release (mid march) can download now if they donate $10?
Yep, this is correct. All the work I do with AMS I do for free, but as I cannot code myself I hire Mith's time to get the job done. In a nutshell $1100USD has been spent over the two versions of AMS, and that money has to come from somewhere .
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"donation is required" = charging for the software. You can't REQUIRE a donation, or it is no longer a donation.
Call it what you will, bottom line is that for AMS to continue the bills have got to be paid, and it isn't going to come soley out of my pocket if its to remain a publically released module. So far support from the community has been very encouraging .
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Thanks for continuing development on this module.
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I personally applaud this approach!
Thanks for the comments guys, I really appreciate the support !
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What is the upgrade from 2.2? Any functional differences or just bug fixes?
I've verified your donation and have now given you access at www.it-hq.org to download AMS 2.4.
I forgot to mention it in the news post, but for anyone using the donation button in AMS 2.2 to submit there donations, could you please send me a private message at www.it-hq.org with the transaction details so I can match them to your IT Headquarters username.
The donation button in AMS 2.2 is linked directly to PayPal and as such my site is unaware of it meaning permissions to grant you access to download AMS 2.4 have to be done manually.
Making these permission changes manually may take anything upto a few days (depending on my free time). If you would like instant access to download AMS 2.4, please register (if you haven't already) and log into www.it-hq.org. Once logged in click the donation button in the left column, set your donation amount leaving the display your username option set to yes (undocumented feature of xDonations where if you set it to no, your group permissions won't change) and complete your donation. Upon verification of your donation you'll be automatically added to the appropriate XOOPS groups and will have access to download AMS 2.4.
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Great job guys, can't wait till this is released publicly. I would donate but running my sites take up most my pocket money, will have to wait
Cheers for all the hard work
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I made a donation yesterday through Paypal but have yet to receive the promised link for the download.
I have tried to contact you via your site forum but that too seems to be down.
Please rectify ASAP
Thanks
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Making these permission changes manually may take anything upto a few days (depending on my free time)
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Hi Martle,
If you've donated manually, or using the donate button in AMS 2.2, please use the PM function on my site to send me your dontation details (paypal e-mail address is a good start) so I can verify it.
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Hi Brash,
Just sent you a PM with the Paypal deets.
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Hi Martle,
You've been given permissions now, so go for it . I've also noticed that a handful of other donations have come in , but I have not recieved any PM's saying who donated what. If those users could please contact me and I'll get them added as soon as I can.
Donation based incubator program
I agree with that... pay to play... eventually they are free but nothing like a few $$$ to kickstart something... I for one can personally help.
BLOGGING Hell yeah... need a built in blogging module that works with the built in image manager. Get a real blogging system built into the core or atleast highly integrated. BLOGS are just getting bigger and XOOPS lack of any real blog is a serious drawback. Best BLOG is weBlog and its been a dead project for over a year
MEDIA MANAGER - current image manager doesnt really work very well and seems to lack many basic capabilities such as hiding system content from users and only allowing users to see common content or content they uploaded. No way to really limit content to certain sections/modules.
ADVANCED BANNERS and AD MANAGEMENT The current banners only can seem to do 468x60 banners and doesn't allow for much customization or different sections based ad campaigns and banners. This core module needs much improvement.
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I agree with that... pay to play... eventually they are free but nothing like a few $$$ to kickstart something... I for one can personally help.
This looks awesome, and personally I think you have a pretty good model for getting reimbursement. Maybe I'll finally fund a Fanfiction module, if there's enough interest for people to donate. My only question regarding AMS is how is this new version different than the new News Module 1.3? It seems like it has the same feature set - except for the audience management thing - which I couldn't understand anyway.
It would help if you posted something that explained the differences and advantages of using this over the new news mod. Also if there was a way to integrate your new editor into your package, so there's no separate install process for the Kovi editor.
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how is this new version different than the new News Module 1.3
Some differences are still there, though: 1) Audience levels. These are comparable to cross-topic view permissions - so you can have e.g. registered users, who can view all articles, whereas anonymous users can only view some articles - but you do not have to close off entire topics from the anonymous users and they can still see that the articles are there (they show up in listings and topic views), just not read the full article. This can give another incentive to registering... or if you have paid memberships, an incentive to subscribing
2) Better links management - I have not seen how you actually ADD links to an article in News, but AMS not only has related links, it has also a division between prerequisite and recommended links. And links can be in any (searchable) module or external - I don't know if News has a similar concept
3) Spotlight block management - Although I am VERY impressed with the spotlight block in News 1.3, I think that the management of which articles to show in the spotlight block is clearer to the user in AMS
4) Versioning - although not very widely used, AMS does give the possibility of having multiple versions of an article and roll back to earlier versions
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if there was a way to integrate your new editor into your package, so there's no separate install process for the Kovi editor.
I don't think this is a good idea. I would rather update ONE place, when a new Koivi editor is released than having to update x modules that all use this editor. It's a matter of opinion though.
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>Yep, this is correct. All the work I do with AMS I do for free, but as I cannot code myself I hire Mith's time to get the job done. In a nutshell $1100USD has been spent over the two versions of AMS, and that money has to come from somewhere :)
Maybe its just me.. but wouldnt it have been cheaper to buy a $25. "Teach yourself PHP in 14 days" book?
Lets be honest you took this upon yourself. No one FORCED you to put so much money into this. Yet I am perplexed how you seem to justify the community should pay for your hobby.
Its not a 'donation' as quoted from the meaning of the word,so lets stop calling it that and the news item should be changed to reflect it. Its deceiving and misrepresenting at the very least IMO.
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Are there not enough blogs away in some dark alley of the net for people to rant anymore? oy vey.
I couldn't care less if someone charges money, gives it away free (my favourite), or calls it a donation. But enough of the semantics. Find another thread if this is too politicaly charged.
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Maybe its just me.. but wouldnt it have been cheaper to....
Yep, it's just you.
Clues are free. take a few.
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Rhomel,
I found AMS both function and useful for my application on my site, so I chose under my own free will to donate to the cause. Granted it was not much, about the same I donated to XOOPS to help further their cause.
So no one is twisting any arms to get the donations (and yes that is what it is when you send a small payment for something useful), the module will still be available to the full community after a certain time with possible further fixes funded by us.
Here is the definition again:
Donation: 1. A voluntary gift (as of money or service or ideas) made to some worthwhile cause
2. Act of giving in common with others for a common purpose especially to a charity
It also could be considered a contribution.
And I myself consider AMS a worthwhile cause true to the definition of the word.
DonXoop - The only thing that excedes you apparent lack of tact and ability to discuss is your immaturity level.
jd - Please note I have NO issue with a REAL donation process. In fact I have at times done so over the course of the years to help pay my broadband bills and such as I host a community site. But I never told my members 'if you do not 'donate' you wont have access to this or that until such time I feel I can squeeze some $ out of those that will pay.'
It seems that in effect whats going on here. A shakedown if you will.
Its sad IMO if this is the direction 'open source' is going. As least OS as far as the XOOPS dev team beelives it should.
Shareware has been into being long before and I would bet long after Xoops. It certainly seems to work, I see no reason AMS cant do that same. I would have much more respect for the devs of it if they went that route.
At the VERY least release the bug fixes for free to the community NOW. They want a 'donation' for that too it seems..
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... long after Xoops.
Wow, that explains alot.
Quit trying to destroy XOOPS and other people.
seeing your msgs, your intent is obviously malicious.
too bad.
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> Quit trying to destroy XOOPS and other people.
You apparely fail to see my site RUNS xoops.. so yes it would be in my 'best' interest if it closes up shop tomorrow..
I didn't know one guy expressing his opinion had so much power. Wow.. I can 'destroy' XOOPS apparently..
Sarcasm aside, I am a realist. Do you REALLY think the monster that is the shareware concept will fail and cease BEFORE xoops? I find that hard to beleive. Hence my comment.
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DonXoop - The only thing that excedes you apparent lack of tact and ability to discuss is your immaturity level.
Both of you please upgrade the tone of your posts. Xoops.org has been a friendly community with decency and respect for each other for a long time - let's not destroy that Quote:
jd - Please note I have NO issue with a REAL donation process. In fact I have at times done so over the course of the years to help pay my broadband bills and such as I host a community site. But I never told my members 'if you do not 'donate' you wont have access to this or that until such time I feel I can squeeze some $ out of those that will pay.'
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Shareware has been into being long before and I would bet long after Xoops. It certainly seems to work, I see no reason AMS cant do that same. I would have much more respect for the devs of it if they went that route.
Shareware? You mean make a crippled version of a module and charge for the full version? Or make a full version that is free for 30 days? I can't see the GPL allowing you to do the latter. Once you have obtained the source code, you are free to do with it what you want, free of charge. Quote:
At the VERY least release the bug fixes for free to the community NOW. They want a 'donation' for that too it seems..
Wysiwyg editor integration, a completely new spotlight management, a new look for the ByTopic view, that is "bugfixing"? I call it new features.
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Lets be honest you took this upon yourself. No one FORCED you to put so much money into this. Yet I am perplexed how you seem to justify the community should pay for your hobby.
Some of the amount mentioned comes from donations, but what I am astounded by is the fact that you think Brash pays me for my hobby. I develop XOOPS in my spare time and if that is what constitutes "a hobby" then developing XOOPS is my hobby. However, developing AMS was a professional job to enable me to pay my bills. I now have a full-time job working with developing XOOPS for a Danish media company - is that also "a hobby" because it has to do with XOOPS? I don't think my employer would like it very much if I considered it that.
Anyway, please use The forum thread discussing the morality of AMS instead of these comments.
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Hi
I think this argument is pointless however, if you have the time and want to make a point this is how you do it correctly.
1) Copy the information regarding the denotation system in question (i.e. what is requested and what are they providing). 2) Make a donation of $ 1.00 (one dollar). 3) When they refuse, contact the correct revenue agency (tax man) and provide them with the information you have collected.
In about 3 months you will have your answer.
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And exactly what do you hope to achieve by this? A donation would never be refused, if it was under $10USD the donator simply would not get access to download the donator release of the module. The solution is simple, if you don't like the idea of a donation based module, easy, don't donate, NOBODY is forcing you to. The idea of going out of your way to try and shutdown development of a module and leaving thousands of users without simply because you disagree with the way in which it is done (even though charging for software IS allowed under GPL) is one of the most juvenile and selfish things I have ever heard.
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Please, let us not waste any more energy or time on these people. They seems to pop up everywhere complaining about different things. If they had something constructive to say.... now they are just annoying and destroying.
You are doing a great job Brash and Mith and I think you know that a absolute majority here thinks that....
regards/falke
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Both of you please upgrade the tone of your posts. Xoops.org has been a friendly community with decency and respect for each other for a long time - let's not destroy that
Did I say something wrong?
So sorry. ugg, so much nitpicking over words in a text file. Not enough about the code.
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Personally I am not trying to achieve anything; if I disagreed with what you were doing I would have already done what I told the other gentleman to do if he was not happy with the situation and wanted the issue resolved once and for all. I don’t have the time and don’t require an answer in this matter.
I find it amazing that people who want to profit in a GPL environment always state how confusing the wording is or what you can or can not do with the software (code) in question.. It doesn’t matter what the wording of the document is, what matters is what the original intent was when the document was created or the idea was formed.
The intent has been, and still is, crystal clear, so why are you wasting our time.
Thank you,
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I respect your right to disagree with the development model used by AMS chess4us, this is your view and your are 100% entitled to have it. The points I fail to understand of your viewpoint is;
1) Why you would suggest to someone that they should go out of their way to try and cease development of this module.
2) Why you (and you are not the only one, it has come up a few times before) seem to have the misconception that I am trying to profit from AMS financially. Do you honestly think I would only be asking for a $10 contribution for early access, or be releasing AMS back to the community free of charge at all if I were trying to do this?
The GPL is a license based on an idealism, and from this debate it has become obvious that this idealism means slightly different things to different people. To you, and others opposed to the AMS development model seem to think the basis of this idealism center's around all software released being under the GPL license should be free of charge (please correct me if I am wrong) in addition to being free to modify and distribute at your whim (free speech AND free beer).
Where as myself, and others see it as an idealism that is about a community spirit that supports each other with the freedom to do as we wish with the code released to the community, without such solid notions that this should all be done free of charge (free speech, but NOT necessarily free beer). As a part of supporting each other I quite simply fail to see the wrong where willing members of a community such as XOOPS who are unable/not wanting to code a module themselves in putting their financial resources together and paying a developer to do this for them. The donators get the module they pay for, the XOOPS developer gets paid for his work, and the XOOPS community get a module to use at a much more expedient rate than what is fair to expect of a module developed in a developers spare time.
What I most definitely see as being adverse to community spirit is taking a line that would deprive the community of such a module for the sake of their own interpretation of what the GPL is meant to mean. It is my complete lack of understanding of this mindset that I find very frustrating which has led me to become at times less than objective in this debate. For this I apologize.
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The restaurant I go have breakfast at always ASKS for a donation!! Go figure.
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Back in my hometown there is a annual community event with bands, stalls, performers and the like. To fund this even it is a requirement of entry that you donate a small amount so that this community event which is enjoyed by all can be held again the following year. You are free to give as much or as little as you like, but the emphasis is on that you do give if you wish to enter to be able to enjoy the event.
It was thinking of this particular example that gave me the idea for the model being used with AMS currently, with the only difference being AMS is actually offered free of any charge at some point. By the amount some people that seem to be getting caught up in the terminology, rather than the intent, it might serve that I take something like Chainsaw's advice he gave in the double standards thread. That is I change the terminology of "donation" to "early access fee" or something similar.
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This is my last comment on this subject (as I said pointless) you can ramble on if you like however, I have more important things to do with my time.
I don’t re-call telling someone to go out of there way to cease development of a module, I do re-call telling someone if they were unhappy with your donation scheme what steps they could take, the order they should take them, and how to resolve the matter to their satisfaction. The statement I made is completely different than then one you are alleging I made in this matter.
If you believe that someone who takes the logical course of action and the logical steps to resolve his or her issues (or the person who provides the information) as being juvenile and selfish then I believe you should re-think this issue. Also if you honestly believe that these steps would or could stop the development of your module, then your own words tell the true validity of your beliefs in this matter.
“The GPL is a license based on idealism,” (see the rest for your own reading) Your statement, you appear to understand the meaning crystal clear however, you as per your own statement you conveniently wish to intrepid it in a slightly different way in order to justify receiving some sort of benefit.
If you are not trying to benefit from your work then why ask for a donation, of a min $10.00 (proper wording should be suggested donation of $10.00 and you can’t refuse $1.00 donation and not give them the program, if you do it is earnings and is taxable) or ask for any money at all for that matter. Well the answer to this question is clear you are trying to benefit from your work.
These donations you received, (I don’t use your program so forgive me if I am wrong here on this point only) did you give any of the money to the person who originally wrote the news module? Did you give any of the money to Xoops, Post Nuke, PHP, MYSQL and the thousands of people who made it possible for you to develop your program (software) with all the free tools available to you when you first started on this adventure.
Maybe some day you will get those proper little phrases or correct little terms in the GPL document and then you can say……See; I can ask for money and get away with it!
You knew what you were getting into when you started, you want to complain about it fine, pick up Virtual C++ and start charging for your work.
Thank you
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at the end of the day, i still do not know what the difference is between news 1.3 and ams 2.4?
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I don’t re-call telling someone to go out of there way to cease development of a module, I do re-call telling someone if they were unhappy with your donation scheme what steps they could take, the order they should take them, and how to resolve the matter to their satisfaction. The statement I made is completely different than then one you are alleging I made in this matter.
If you believe that someone who takes the logical course of action and the logical steps to resolve his or her issues (or the person who provides the information) as being juvenile and selfish then I believe you should re-think this issue. Also if you honestly believe that these steps would or could stop the development of your module, then your own words tell the true validity of your beliefs in this matter.
Sorry for jumping the gun here. If the intention of your suggestion was not to hinder or halt the development of AMS, what was its intended purpose (that's a serious question)? I can't see it being made to help contribute or offered as any sort of constructive suggestion, or am I missing something? I assume, and I might be wrong, is that it's intention would be to draw the attention of the local tax agency to myself, in which I might end up having to pay some tax on contributions made. Where I jumped the gun is that if this were the case it would give me two options, (1) continue AMS as a private module or (2) increase the cost to those contributing to the development costs to cover the extra overhead of having to pay tax.
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chess4us wrote:
“The GPL is a license based on idealism,” (see the rest for your own reading) Your statement, you appear to understand the meaning crystal clear however, you as per your own statement you conveniently wish to intrepid it in a slightly different way in order to justify receiving some sort of benefit.
I'm sorry, I don't see your point. I clearly defined my interpretation of the idealism of the GPL (free speech, NOT necessarily free beer) to specifically NOT exclude being able to legitimately charge a fee for GPL software. I assume you did not understand my definition, otherwise the above statement does not make sense.
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chess4us wrote:
If you are not trying to benefit from your work then why ask for a donation, of a min $10.00 (proper wording should be suggested donation of $10.00 and you can’t refuse $1.00 donation and not give them the program, if you do it is earnings and is taxable) or ask for any money at all for that matter. Well the answer to this question is clear you are trying to benefit from your work.
In making the above statement I have to ask that do you realise that I am in no way a coder myself. ALL the coding work was done by paid developer, and my role is as tester, support and project coordinator. The developer (Mith) is the ONLY person to have recieved any financial compensation at all, at any stage of this project. All my time I put in of my own free will.
I have already explained that no donation would ever be refused, but I ask you to explain how me refusing to grant access to download AMS 2.4 to someone who chooses to donate $1 when I have clearly stipulated that to get access the minimum contribution is $10 suddenly becomes income?
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These donations you received, (I don’t use your program so forgive me if I am wrong here on this point only) did you give any of the money to the person who originally wrote the news module? Did you give any of the money to Xoops, Post Nuke, PHP, MYSQL and the thousands of people who made it possible for you to develop your program (software) with all the free tools available to you when you first started on this adventure.
The money contributed goes specifically toward developing AMS, and I have stated this since day one. However, I have made a contribution to XOOPS with some of the money donated.
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Maybe some day you will get those proper little phrases or correct little terms in the GPL document and then you can say……See; I can ask for money and get away with it!
It's not a matter of trying to get away with anything. What I am trying to do is lead a community funded module in a manner that is at least accepted, if not supported by everyone in the XOOPS community. I think this idea might be out of reach though, as there are simply too many different opinions on what both the literal/legal, and intented meaning of the GPL is.
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You knew what you were getting into when you started, you want to complain about it fine, pick up Virtual C++ and start charging for your work.
Obviously not! If I knew some people were going to take such offense to me trying to offer an alternative route for module development to the XOOPS community, I would probably have kept AMS as a private module.
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at the end of the day, i still do not know what the difference is between news 1.3 and ams 2.4?
Do you mean feature wise? If so, have a look at the details in the AMS 2.2 download in the modules repository, and take a look at the second page in this news posting.
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essentially, apart from a few minor features, news 1.3 and ams 2.4 are identical modules. so, why all the hype surrounding ams 2.4? it is not a ground breaking module?
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I think most of the hype around AMS 2.4 is centered around the way AMS is developed rather than what it has to offer. Keep in mind AMS forked from New 1.2 around 10 months ago, and it also depends on what you consider minor features.
Herve has done an outstanding job with News 1.3, I don't think you'll find anyone debating that, and admittedly the gap has closed with News 1.3. However up until a last week when the first release candidate of News 1.3 was released AMS 2.2 and 2.4 offered a great deal more feature wise over News 1.2.x.
Horses for courses.
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You seem to have loads of time to waste here back and forth on stuff that honestly you shouldnt reply to... but for 5 days you havent been able to send me the download link.
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Please remove the transaction details from your comment, especially when it has my e-mail address in it.
I got a message from you on the evening of the 12th, and I granted you permissions at that time. However, I must have forgotten to reply to your PM, sorry about that. Log in and scroll down and it should become clear .
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Well I am very disheartened at this module release as I have always believed that XOOPS was free from charges to use any of the modules and I find brashes comments very hypocritical a minimum donation he calls it NO he is charging people throu a free based community to use something that has a free licence.
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brash wrote..2) Why you (and you are not the only one, it has come up a few times before) seem to have the misconception that I am trying to profit from AMS financially. Do you honestly think I would only be asking for a $10 contribution for early access, or be releasing AMS back to the community free of charge at all if I were trying to do this?
Your not profiting come on your telling me that you had 3000 downloads of AMS 2.2 if you did then how many would be downloading this one lets do the math lets say hypothetically you have 500 people download this and pay 10 dollars thats 5000 dollars in your pocket and how much was the cost of making this module you are profiting from a free based community.
Its your right to charge people for a module you created but keep it off xoops.org as I have always believed that this was a free community that supported people whether they contributed $$ or not.
I surely will not be wasting 10 dollars on a module that originally derived from the standard news module you have basically ripped off somebody elses work and now charging ppl for it I do not seee anything ground breaking on this module.
This is only my opinion not trying to flame just annoyed that somebody is saying he is not profiting from it when he is and forces people to "donate" to get it.
kiwiguy
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Is there a way to set the AMS so that I can run advertising campaigns by Topics? The way the system is set up now you can set blocks to display by Modules, ie top page, news, etc., but at the moment there's no way to get blocks to display by news topics. I use blocks from my advertising code, and my advertisers are starting to get real picky about where blocks are displayed. So it'd be nice to be able to display campaigns by topic area, ie movies, dvds, games, etc... And not just plop them on "all pages" or throughout the news module
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dunno y i bothering replying here..
@kiwiguy
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Your not profiting come on your telling me that you had 3000 downloads of AMS 2.2 if you did then how many would be downloading this one lets do the math lets say hypothetically you have 500 people download this and pay 10 dollars thats 5000 dollars in your pocket and how much was the cost of making this module you are profiting from a free based community.
Its your right to charge people for a module you created but keep it off xoops.org as I have always believed that this was a free community that supported people whether they contributed $$ or not.
i think you oughta read the whole of the thread and rest of topics that's sparked up thru this..
Free software doesn't mean FREE of CHARGE..
and also, 3000 downloads.. yes fine, but you seem to have read 1 part and ignored the rest..
there are a few donators who donate.. fine, but there aren't 3000 donators.. where on earth did you get that idea from?
3000 total downloads.. but you ignored the fact that after 1 month of being released to people who donate, the module is then released publicly and NO donation is required to download it.. so in essence your statement that Brash is making thousands out of this is totally untrue because you didn't read the facts..
and he is NOT forcing any1 to donate, if you don't want to donate, then wait a month and download it without having to donate..
ps i put this in bold so that people might actually read the words properly..
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Registered user submit article vs admin... bug?
Why is it that if I am a ADMINISTRATOR user class when I sumit an article i see "Article Text" and underneath it "Extended Text" and if I submit news as a registred user which has all submit permissions that the admin does only "Article Text" and a very limited "Options" is available. It also seems to by default have HTML content disabled for registred users.
Any ideas? Am I doing something wrong or is this some sort of feature thats been done on purpose? As a note it also does this similar behavior in the NEWS article which AMS is derived from.