My first experience with xoopsinfo was when James withdrew as a moderator. Frankly, I like James but his moderating is for the birds. He is to personally involved.

Another BS opinion.

with regards the rules > see xoopsiquette

I had looked, -- nothing about caps in headers in there.
Seems to be a matter of personal preference.

Another INFORMED BS observation.

well maybe CAPS oughta be added.. i'm sure it is somewhere on the site, altho it is generally regarded as an online rule with practically all sites that have forums..

CAPS is considered shouting!

also if a post is completely made in CAPs, it makes it very hard to read. we have had people post long essays on XOOPS all in CAPS, and lol trying to read it is like trying to read with very very low light, you blink & you lose where you were reading..

Not using all caps is listed in XOOPSiquette.

It is listed under "Subjects for posts"

Even if it wasn't, posting in all CAPS is bad form and generally frowned upon in most netiquette circles.

@kc0maz

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I sure don't see it....
And I can support it with facts.
IT isn't there.

No BS here

My bad. it is on Xoopsinfo Code of Conduct page.

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I rarely apply the code of conduct of other sites as being the criteria by which XOOPS.ORG moderators should conduct themselves. I don't even read them, and it is my understanding "they are independent" not under XOOPS management control. -- now how is that for coming back to bite you in the butt. {{giggle}}

Really, this thread has to do with the selection of forum moderators. It is not my intention to down the moderators we have been given, I think they are all excellent people.
But I believe it is time for a change.

My proposal (a mod handle) would allow for all the current moderators to continue on with the job of moderating 'part time' along with any other duties they had time for, consider being a moderator something like a job jar. If you are qualified and have time on your hands then log in as moderator and moderate. You can still post under your own nick and not take any moderation heat, ...or I should say bs.

Meanwhile, it would not be out of line to solicit some new blood that handled the bulk of the moderators duties.

(unless of course, if you don't have the means to do anything more than to delete spam and be a burr in someones saddle ... then, in which case you have to many moderators now. I would suggest doing away with most of them.)

I back the comments on the difficulties the moderators of the site have had in acting as moderators in recent times.

I vouch for the fact that editing and closing of thread discussions do take place and they are team decisions.

I vouch for the fact that in some cases these decisions have been reversed by someone in a site administration role and this leaves moderators wondering why they bother.

I vouch for the fact that there have been times where moderators themselves have struggled to post calmly in response to contentious posts, but they have apologised for this when they recognise they could have behaved better.

I vouch for the fact that 'all caps' though not stated in original xoopsiquette is considered 'shouting' and has therefore if nothing else been frowned upon and discouraged.

I vouch for the fact that this same team of moderators has spent the last few weeks re-considering xoopsiquette and as a result have come up with the xoopsiquette guidelines for xoopsinfo as a result, and this applies to all members at xoopsinfo - which means those moderating as much as those who do not.

I vouch for the fact that this same group are investigating their own Code of Conduct as moderators and in the process have included research in to 'code of conduct' practices at other websites from which to draw ideas and clarification. I feel positive this will improve on what has been before now.

I vouch for the fact that there was in fact a moderator team report, not as implied by the opening post of this thread that none was made. It was made on the moderator forums, which are not public forums, not on the open to the public space DJ provided. This forum is a work forum where moderators do discuss and record the discipline of posts and as the new lead developer DJ has access to this. I do not like the implication that no report was made at all. It was - and DJ had the opportunity to observe all of the work that has been before now if he had taken the time, and the opportunity, to ask questions and seek clarification. So...true there was no 'public' moderator team report - but there was a report on the status of the team.

I vouch for the fact that moderators do not know all the answers. We help where we can, and rely on the whole community to assist in the answering of questions and appeals for help on the forums.

I vouch for the fact that we have worked without a team leader for some time quite successfully, and in rlaity the only time 'leadership' has been needed and absent is when the flame wars started. That leadership needed to come from admin and we all know that Skalpa was indisposed. The mod team has always been accountable to xoops.org admin. The problem was admin (whoever that may be)was silent. When the leader is unavailable, the one who has ultimate accountabitlity is not around the mod team had to do their best on their own.

I vouch for the fact if it wasn't for their team work you would be lucky if you had even one moderator left here at xoops.org

I do not appreciate the use of a single instance of what someone considers poor moderating to be discussed as 'evidence' of why a certain person is not a good moderator or to use this to pull them from a team that has done it's best within the skills it has to manage in the recent very difficult and trying time. It is a job made extremely difficult recently by the prevalence of flaming, the collapse of the leadership of xoops, and the cries of the community to pull XOOPS together. It is members of this team that have helped to do this and to do so they have had to be more than moderators. They have been forced to take on multiple tasks. Moderators are humans. Humans have emotions that do get in the way, but they can also seek reconciliation.

Now with new leadership moderators need to be given the opportunity to focus on a primary task in a team they choose to be involved in. They will not have to multi-task with all the volunteering going on. Now is not the time to be nitpicking. Now is the time to be saying ok...let's see how this goes. Time is needed to see how this grows.

@BS - I will respond to your wiki comment elsewhere and in another way since I do not think it is relevant to this thread.

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Odd you should mention this little tidbit. I was going back through the thread and re-reading some of the posts. I came across this one from D.J.

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Would the Moderators be moved over to 'Community Coordinator' team making the Community Coordinators responsible for moderating the forums?

I full heartily agree, that all the rules should be posted on the Xooops.org web site, and those should be the only rules enforced.

I also agree that the moderators need to be identified in the 'Who's online' sidebar, in some manner. I am still on the fence about using colors or a separate log in (Moderator 1, etc.)

Moderators need the authority to do their job. If they see something that needs to be shutdown, let them shut it down. on the flip side they also need to know they will be held accountable by the management if they screw up.

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Moderators can be your best friend or worst enemy. Who really wants the job of being hated.

Everyone hates me already so I am used to it

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I would hold off on removing moderators until all the teams get a bit more settled.

well it's not that there is too many moderators, sometimes yes.. but remember, most all have different time zones..

and sometimes we all clash & end up being online together (outside our usual timezones for being in bed) lol

but generally there needs to be moderators available at different times of the day due to the international status of the site.. but some of us are insomniacz at times