I advise, Run that through the legal department. #41

I belive that disclaimer is meant to protect XOOPS from legal action;
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Your extra add-on "Any unlawful activities will be reported to law enforcement. XOOPS.org and its agents will cooperate fully with any law enforcement agency." May take away from the initial intent, actually involving them in legal action.
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CATZ direct response. #43

I personally see much of this as knee jerk reaction to many of the problems that would not be around if the wheels of XOOPS else where were in the 'correct' motion. As I have said before, don't simply paint over the cracks, find the root of the problem at the foundations and fix that first.

Much of the real problems here at XOOPS have now been obscured by confusion, conjecture and hearsay.

You can make as many rules and regulations as you like, in some case I have found that this could in fact make situations worse. Your changes apply to the effect and not the cause of the problems here at XOOPS and until this is noticed nothing will change here.

etc.,

Cause and effect. We are trying to fix internal hemorrhaging with a sticky plaster and sympathy and until someone has the foresight to make the first cut, we won’t fix the real problems.

Anyway, that's my opinion.

ATB

Catz
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BlueStocking wrote:
I advise, Run that through the legal department.

I belive that disclaimer is meant to protect XOOPS from legal action;
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Your extra add-on "Any unlawful activities will be reported to law enforcement. XOOPS.org and its agents will cooperate fully with any law enforcement agency." May take away from the initial intent, actually involving them in legal action.

Catzwolf wrote:
I personally see much of this as knee jerk reaction to many of the problems that would not be around if the wheels of XOOPS else where were in the 'correct' motion. As I have said before, don't simply paint over the cracks, find the root of the problem at the foundations and fix that first.

Much of the real problems here at XOOPS have now been obscured by confusion, conjecture and hearsay.

You can make as many rules and regulations as you like, in some case I have found that this could in fact make situations worse. Your changes apply to the effect and not the cause of the problems here at XOOPS and until this is noticed nothing will change here.

>snip<

If XOOPS had a strong leader who understood the needs and wants of a community and put the community first before themselves I believe we would not be having any of the problems currently at Xoops.

Cause and effect. We are trying to fix internal hemorrhaging with a sticky plaster and sympathy and until someone has the foresight to make the first cut, we won’t fix the real problems.

Anyway, that's my opinion.

ATB

Catz

MadFish wrote:
I don't think we have a legal department :) however I understand that the XOOPS Foundation offers some kind of legal protection mechanism for developers of the system against personal liability etc, but you'd have to ask Herko for the details on exactly what/how it works.

With regard to user behaviour, I think all XOOPS could do is to make it clear in the terms of service/membership disclaimer that members are 100% responsible/liable for their own posts.

I am unable to agree with a blanket statement that XOOPS will cooperate with law enforcement agencies, if these means 'any law enforcement agency in the world' - in some countries these agencies are the major perpetrators of crime and handing over personal or identifying data can have extreme consequences. I know many of you will think this is a trivial issue, but I assure you that it is not.

I think such issues should be left to due process. If the administrators of XOOPS.org get served with (say) some kind of warrant or court order that they are legally compelled to obey, then they should do so. But hand over the identity of someone who has made a few careless remarks to government official that asks? Bear in mind that many countries also have strong privacy laws, and it possible to get into legal trouble for handing over too much data, as well as not enough.

Possibly the location where the Foundation is registered also puts XOOPS under a certain legal jurisdiction, but I am not sure.