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  • 2004/12/21 20:17

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Re: Individual blocks for each category, Possible?
  • 2004/12/21 20:07

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bd_csmc

It sounds like this one should/will end up @ the core ...
sound fantastic, probably the most exciting things in the last year 4 XOOPS if you ask me ...

The most essential modules are (for me anyway):
- newbb (has support for categpry blocks)
- One of the galleries
- one of the callanders (pical seens the right one)
- AMS / news
- search separation for the sections

And by the way, it'll probably be best to call it channals or something similar ("subject is being used a lot ...) - of course just a thought



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Re: Homepage (personal editable page) for each user or user group
  • 2004/12/21 19:19

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all ...

I think your'e right, I installed the classroom module when Mith just released it, and 4got that he said it might feet my needs, though my case is a bit demanding (I have a classic community project for a small vilage in which I need to make hompages for each family) so this module might have a heavy load.

Now when I think of it, the classroom module has a lot (too many) sub levels : schools / departments / teacher / classes ...
Since I'm grounded to Home (my 3rd child was born 2 days ago) I'm not near my dev servers and writing it from memory...

bd_csmc - let me know if you're gonna work on it, so I'll stop looking (might help with ideas or code if you need them) .



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Re: Individual blocks for each category, Possible?
  • 2004/12/21 13:42

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bd_csmc

I used Drupal (just once, not good enough), I use CuteNews (We moded it a lot, to turn it into a cms and made a Hebrew version, We use a simple CMS (php+mysql) that was made inside our company, we tried Iware, MySource, we used XOOPS (the days of 1.3.x + a dhdfhd with 2.05) and most of the time, we write our sites using custom php/asp routins (so much time is wasted to get a medium results) ...

But as I said - I like XOOPS so much that it is being installed on 3 of our local dev servers - winxp+IIS , winXP+Apach , Linux+apach ... all this ... for using XOOPS twice in the last 3 years...

So back to your question: MySource (and it's matrix) are a good ones to check, PROPS is quite interesting but is not a regular cms ...
If we found a cms that has "the feature we are talking about" this thread was never here ...



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Re: Individual blocks for each category, Possible?
  • 2004/12/20 20:03

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Rowdie
I didn't heard of it b4, but looking for a bit of opinion about it I found out that our little thread here was discussed in the CORE level, which means that there might be a global category system embaded in Xoops.
take a look @ this thread ... ... ... the thing is that it started by Herko at the begining of 2002 and we are about entering 2005 ...

Can it be that XOOPS is moving so slowly in the last 2 years ? .. an idea is being brought to the air and dies slowly for almost 3 years?

bd_csmc
this thread is what I was talking about .... I just found it.
Herko, skalpa, Bunny and the rest saw the need @ 2002 and for some reason all was forgotten.
If you ask me it's one thing XOOPS can't live without beacuse in most cases you need your content to be folowed by categories and not by modules

And to be acurate:
today XOOPS sites looks like this

Homepage
module 1:
- category one
- category 2
- category 3

module 2:
- category one
- category 2
- category 3

module 3:
- category one
- category 2
- category 3

Now, it's good for a few sites, but not for most.
The natural content flow is :

Site category 1:
- module one category 1
- module 2 category 1
- module 2 category 1

Site category 2:
- module one category 2
- module 2 category 2
- module 3 category 2

This brought me to a situation that every time I want to use XOOPS for a project, I ends up giving it to a much worse cms, but with a better "content flow" and I feel very bad about it, XOOPS is the best in functionality and stability, but ..... in the end what counts is the content, the CMS is just serving the content.



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Re: Individual blocks for each category, Possible?
  • 2004/12/20 17:27

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yep Wheeler
This " Multi-Sites " is a great mod/functionality and I'm planning to use it in the future, but it's not answering on the need of one site (not a site network) with it's modules that need to have a few pages that includes categories from different modules (especially forum, news, links, one of the galleries, articles) - meaning: a site which show it's content by subjects/categories/groups or whatever you call it, and not by modules.
I'm going to try to find a way for modules to get a category content in a separate block ...



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Re: Individual blocks for each category, Possible?
  • 2004/12/20 15:26

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Quote:

From my POV - each site have one topic, categories and modules offer only different view on it and|or some of it's sides... If you want strict topic separation on site - maybe it's time to think about separation site into network of sites?!


Sites network is one thing
Site divided to categories is another thing

I don't see any conflicts here (there's a need for both for different things)
but XOOPS is a mighty cms and can easiliy handle very big sites, so sites network is not always welcome/needed ...

Let me present you a scenario:

you have a community site, in your community you have 3 group ages, you want your groups to have all their unique content directly, without looking/searching after it, so the easy way to do it can be : taking Chappy's singlepage module making 3 instances of it with 3 different names, taking the "themechanger" module, linking each "singlepage module" from a block in the front page (that way you have the front page, but also 3 group portals) ... and now comes the part that XOOPS can't do .... in each "group portal" you embed category blocks - like all the links for the 60+ group, all/latest articles for the 60+ group, and so on...

I think it can be a functionality thing in the core (I.E. to search by category or so, but that is not going well with the way XOOPS is built right now)

I can give you some more examples of this need, but a regional community is very clear, I read a lot of requests like this, but though the features asked were the same, the ppl's who asked about it defineed it a bit differently ("group portals" ..... "another index page" ... "Top/Recent Block for a Category" and so on ... )



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Re: Top News 'Category'
  • 2004/12/20 15:00

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Hello Wheeler

I'm in the same needs as you are ...
I think it's a "must" for every module with category ability to have a dedicated block for presenting an individual category (even if you need to hardcode the category number) and that solves your question about an index page for each category (you'll be able to use a "one page module" like Chapy's with the "Category blocks" from verious moduls in the system.
see my post "How can a cms manage content not by subjects" .



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Re: Individual blocks for each category, Possible?
  • 2004/12/20 7:29

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Kind of funny to answere to myself, but a thought that deserve a new massage has cross my (tired) mind...

something to ease the need of the "cross system categories" or to look @ it differently, might be a way (core/system wide support) for each module to have "category based blocks" more easily .... that way there will be no problems to do things like "category portal" which can be simple modules which will include all the relevant blocks from other modules (but by category, not by functionality)....



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Re: Individual blocks for each category, Possible?
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Mithrandir, carnuke, All...

The problem lies much deeper to my opinion:
The fact that you return the subject to be a module issue is the wrong thing in all this.

Being a web project manager for since 1996 tought me a few things, one of them is not to treat a project in the eyes of functionality.

A few thoughts/points about it all
- CMS is all about managing content!
- Content is being managed by subject, not by functionality (modules).

- Only us (webmasters, projects managers, web developers etc'...) worship the technology behind the content, the end user + the customers (if it's a commercial site) looks at the content and on the way it's managed, as the goal.

- XOOPS (though it's an amasing system), basic concept is functionality and not "by subject" and it won't be changes even with modules like AMS / WFsections / soapbox nad so..

- As one that need/use cms's for 9 years now, I see the need (almost always) as this:

-- subjuct one
- articles
- news
- photos (gallery or so..)
- forum
- all others

-- subjuct two
- articles
- news
- photos (gallery or so..)
- forum
- all other.......

"System-wide-category" or things like that, lies in the core, not in the module level and might be a thing to think of when going to the next version of XOOPS ....
one more thing is keeping the system (and the modules with it) more orgenised (ie: link images at the images sub dir ... soapbox images @ images/soapbox ... and so on ....)

Don't get me wrong, XOOPS is the best of it's kind and I saw them all, but it lakes a few things that can make it close to perfect and is "something to think of" ...




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