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DonXoop
Re: xPHPBBi -> www.microsoft.com

No idea. You need to ask the module devel, try the site whee you downloaded the module.



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DonXoop
Re: Future devel of newbb2?

Quote:

Gambero wrote:
CBB is next version of NewBB.

Is that the official word? It doesn't look like xoops.org has moved to that one yet. I'll wait for a core developer to chime in.



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DonXoop
Re: xPHPBBi -> www.microsoft.com

oh. Sorry can't help you with that one. You need help from the xphpbbi devel people.



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DonXoop
Re: xPHPBBi -> www.microsoft.com

Did you change the XOOPS_URL in the mainfile.php? Check that setting first. That is the main location for setting the URL. Redirection would be wrong if that setting is incorrect.

BTW, being directed to microsoft would give a chill down my back. When I mistype a URL I get a local error and not get directed to microsoft or anywhere else. That is a browser config setting but not your real problem.



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DonXoop
Future devel of newbb2?

I consider newbb2 a core module as much as any other core module (being used here at xoops.org). With the recent news I'm concerned about the future devel.

Some issues have cropped up since XOOPS 2.0.10 and I'm needing to fix them. The notification issues were fixed by updating custom templates affected with the upgrade. However my biggest issue now is that I can't save "Allowed Forum List" options in the blocks. I can't seem to find a fix for this.

Will newbb2 devel be stalled now? I can't casually upgrade the forum to a different one without being comfortable with the future of the new forum package and any potential issues with it.

Can we get some official word on direction and suggestions? What will xoops.org do about the forum being used here?



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DonXoop
Re: Whats going on with XOOPS

Quote:
if your post is not pointing to my post above, ignore my following words, otherwise, listen to me:
1 no one asks you to install or use CBB. You have better place to complain your complaints.

Some of my comments were and some weren't. Nothing personal.
I'm not having a conversation with one person. That is what the quote tag is for and now I include one, to be direct on point.

Several times all of a sudden it is suggested that I use CBB as a solution to a new problem. Of course nobody forces me to use one thing or another, but I'll speak my mind none the less.

When I say I have no interest in CBB I mean that had no interest because the hype was about it being targeted at a community different than mine. To compare, gaming modules have the same lack of interest to me but it doesn't reflect any lack of respect I have or could have if I took the time to investigate the module. If I have a need I'll look further. Other things take up my time like anyone else.

So now I have a need to know more and I didn't like the whole complicated drama that surrounded it and other semi connected issues.

And that is what this whole thread is about isn't it.

Quote:
Sorry, learnt from your post in the other topic and reply together there:

Nothing to be sorry about, I intended the two threads to merge together and assumed you would make that link.

Quote:
where is "culture wars"?
All over the place. Everywhere I look it seems. By definition it can't be easily explained and solved at the same time.
A Catch-22 if you will..

Quote:
I mentioned culture difference and cultural gap just let ppl be aware of it and do not ignore it.
"it won't happen with software", are you talking about culture difference? if yes, then you are wrong. Culture difference exists both in coding, multilanguage is an example, and, more important, in management.

Like I said, it is hard to miss. I'm aware of it. And I still disagree.
Code is code and if it covers all the bases, logical and cultural, then I can use it for my particular needs. The user decides how they want to exploit the code to create their content. The damn thing won't get written in the first place if there is a battle about the shape of the table the kings and prime ministers will sit at. That is the link I refer to about culture wars being a dead end. Winners and losers. Sucks to be the loser.

?So as a user I will likely have to frequently change gears and decide on allegiance and the politics of the application so I can maintain the content, style, and cultural identity I have? That should be irrelevant.

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This isn't about icons and logos. It isn't fashion (reference to The Big Chill..). And I sure hope it isn't about a "management" style or any other cultural battle going on here and there. My decision to not buy cars or tires from one country or another is not the same issue at all.

So if anyone is totally confused by my rant don't fret. So am I.

I don't want to drag this out. So either this is a debate with a hope of a resolution that benefits the average user or it should be a private forum thread.

I won't be blown off because I wasn't asked to use a module that is for now a 3rd party module. But for sure there are better places to discuss some of these things. Like perhaps on the home site of the module in question for example.

And to circle back to the topic at hand. This affects some important decisions a user will be making. Maybe I too should look at Mambo or forks of parts or all of xoops. I wish I didn't. Mention of user group rights differences is a much bigger issue than the cultural battles behind the scenes. Mentioning that the concerns over specific issues like group rights will be covered in version xxx.xx is scary no matter what the intentions. My 486 CPU mainboard that was "Pentium Ready tm." years ago. It still is and is still a 486. But a darn nice doorstop it made....

So I don't know "What's going on with XOOPS". I hope it turns out ok..

oh, the thread has grown some more.
Quote:
@DonXoop, can u explain me what means Chinese version

That is how the news was posted. Of course it shouldn't matter what language the author speaks. php is php.

Quote:
why we dont switch to stable, and actively developed CBB, and to stay with dead and bugy NewBB 2.0.2

Because until all this nonsense and fighting started making sense I thought that newbb was an active project. And how is CBB already considered a project that will remain the active and true replacement? I'm not convinced yet and why should I be? I'm sure that a new XOOPS user is even more confused over what is the trusted module.

Quote:
the xoops.org team don't have the time to go round every site and post modules to the repository here. at the end of the day it is entirely the module developers choice of where they wish to submit their modules

Thank you. That's another sore point. Few of the module listings here are maintained and kept up to date by the authors. The occasional announcement and listing might be made but rarely updated. Or the announcement might spark a firestorm. Or a host of other things could happen. Like this debate.



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DonXoop
Re: Predator Joined Mambo!

Quote:

DonXoop, Hang in there.


maybe. I've got things to fix and it ain't happening in this thread.

I'll check back sometime but IMHO it won't get fixed with culture wars. It never fixed anything in the past and it won't happen with software.




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DonXoop
Re: Whats going on with XOOPS

I'm one of the people calling CBB a fork. I didn't call it that at first. I saw the announcement and since it was a Chinese version of newbb I had no interest. My users speak English, French and Spanish. They might speak 100 other languages but on my site I support 3.

I assumed there were character issues that prompted a CBB. Cultural issues escape my logical thinking but if options can be turned on and off then fine and dandy.

When I ask a question about a bug that appeared when 2.0.10 came out I start seeing answers that point to CBB as a solution. Now the other threads about politics and devel issues has finally connected the dots for me. So now I call CBB a fork. Plain and simple. I won't even comment about another fork being mentioned.

From a user's point of view I shouldn't care or even know about so called cultural issues with the devel. From the point of view of a user that tries to help other users, those issues matter a little bit more. From a user that helps other users yet probably has the most unanswered questions himself, it starts to matter a lot. For a module that is likely the most critical outside of the core itself, what happens with devel matters a great deal.

The future of newbb is of great importance to me. However at this stage there isn't a chance in hell that I'm jumping ship to install CBB to fix problems with newbb. I'd rather jump overboard and start over with another CMS. No offence but things are much too volatile to change over to CBB no matter how good the first "fork" is doing so far.

BTW, this is the kind of thread that is best done in a private forum. It scares and confuses some people and is pushing other questions off the page to never be answered.

chao pescaos.



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DonXoop
Re: Predator Joined Mambo!

I give up. The point is lost on too many. So what was the topic anyway?

The main dev for newbb is gone. Another dev has a fork of newbb and calls it CBB.

Meanwhile I have an issue with newbb. The fix is to "upgrade" to a fork of a politicaly charged version of the module?

NO and NO.

I want to hear from a real core dev about newbb before I move to something that could just as quickly go away or have a different set of problems.

I'll let the politicans fix the world. Wake me up when that happens. bye.
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DonXoop
Re: Predator Joined Mambo!

Can we give this a rest? Why are we analyzing imaginary reasons why someone has left? It means that someone left.

Meanwhile there are questions going unanswered (don't need devs for that). And code not being written.

I'd be more concerned with Users that leave xoops. Too much of this nonsense and that is what will happen. Then it won't matter who is a dev and who is a self appointed politician.

However, this is the kind of crap that caused me to leave a community site (not running xoops) and start my own site (on xoops).




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