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eric235u
Re: is it time for a lead project manager?
  • 2007/4/20 16:27

  • eric235u

  • Not too shy to talk

  • Posts: 149

  • Since: 2004/12/19


my goal was to wait for one of the sourceforge admins to post but since others have requested a plan here is my first attempt. i look forward to community input. - eric c


If I were allowed to be a Lead Project Manager, these are the first changes I would propose:

1. All XOOPS decisions are made in public with community review and input. Reason: to foster community transparency and trust.

2. The XOOPS sourcforge wiki will become the focal point for core XOOPS documentation. Reason: to have a central and up to date source of information.

3. Use either CVS or SVN not both. Remove developers who have not been active in the last 3 years. Remove dead modules. Reason: this is our most important resource and therefore should be well managed.

4. Use the sourceforge developer mail list as the focal point for all developer communication. Reason: Everything should be documented. This will allow us to understand our history and to make better decisions about our future. It also builds community trust if regular users can see what developers are discussing, whether or not they have the technical ability to take part.

5. Do not be rude. All technical discussions allowed, personal attacks are not. This is mostly already enforced. The reason for this is self evident.

6. XOOPS social structure should be a Consensus-based Democracy and when we are deadlocked we vote. All XOOPS members have one vote. XOOPS sourceforge admins have veto. Reason: people seem to feel more confortable and participate more in concensus based structures.

7. The immediate creation of voluntary XOOPS teams to focus on concerns raised in this thread. Such as Core, Addons, Community, Publicity, International, etc. To be created, changed and removed as the community sees fit. Reason: we currently have several seriously negleted areas in the XOOPS community that would greatly benifit from official XOOPS teams.

8. Monthy ‘State of XOOPS’ newsletter written by the Lead Project Manager and other volenteers to discuss progress of initiatives. Reason: to have a clear roadmap of our progress easily accessible by all community members.

9. The Lead Project Manager is a two year position. At the end of every two year cycle there is a popular vote for a new Lead Manager.



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eric235u
Re: The Wave of Change IS Upon Us!
  • 2007/4/20 13:51

  • eric235u

  • Not too shy to talk

  • Posts: 149

  • Since: 2004/12/19


the title of this thread speaks volumes.

The Wave of Change IS Upon Us!

but if you go to our sourceforge site there's no code. no way to review the change, if there's actually a change. no 'community'. if you go to the sourceforge dev mailing lists they are basically empty. the change is not a tsunami, it is a slow and painful death. by not following the path of other successful free and open source projects we are slowly ruining our community. promises with no code is no change. a lack of transparency does not foster trust.

if an administrative position is created to help oversee structural changes to assist in community development that person must be given project admin status at the sourceforge website. that will ensure a sharing of responsibility. that will allow democratic & merit based decisions to take place. otherwise we are spinning our wheels.

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i ask for you all to reconsider your position on a members only forum. there is no advantage to 'hiding' your conversations from public view. granted you may not want the ramblings of a maniac on the front page but there's no reason to hide anything. our example of tolerance and open conversation is what makes us a better community than some others. this model goes hand in hand with free speech and free software.


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Producing Open Source Software. How to Run a Successful Free Software Project



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eric235u
Re: is it time for a lead project manager?
  • 2007/4/19 21:36

  • eric235u

  • Not too shy to talk

  • Posts: 149

  • Since: 2004/12/19


i am very happy that so many people have read and posted on this thread. regardless of the outcome i believe the free and open exchange of ideas is important.

now i hope that our project administrators will see this and have an opportunity to comment. what they think is most important at the moment, so i will refrain from further comments for now and greatly look forward to hearing from them or people close to them.

i'm here if needed & i love XOOPS!

thanks again to everybody.



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eric235u
Re: The Wave of Change IS Upon Us!
  • 2007/4/19 21:23

  • eric235u

  • Not too shy to talk

  • Posts: 149

  • Since: 2004/12/19


Quote:
Avoid Private Discussions

Even after you've taken the project public, you and the other founders will often find yourselves wanting to settle difficult questions by private communications among an inner circle. This is especially true in the early days of the project, when there are so many important decisions to make, and, usually, few volunteers qualified to make them. All the obvious disadvantages of public list discussions will loom palpably in front of you: the delay inherent in email conversations, the need to leave sufficient time for consensus to form, the hassle of dealing with naive volunteers who think they understand all the issues but actually don't (every project has these; sometimes they're next year's star contributors, sometimes they stay naive forever), the person who can't understand why you only want to solve problem X when it's obviously a subset of larger problem Y, and so on. The temptation to make decisions behind closed doors and present them as faits accomplis, or at least as the firm recommendations of a united and influential voting block, will be great indeed.

Don't do it.

As slow and cumbersome as public discussions can be, they're almost always preferable in the long run. Making important decisions in private is like spraying contributor repellant on your project. No serious volunteer would stick around for long in an environment where a secret council makes all the big decisions.


from producingoss.com



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eric235u
Re: The Wave of Change IS Upon Us!
  • 2007/4/19 21:17

  • eric235u

  • Not too shy to talk

  • Posts: 149

  • Since: 2004/12/19


i think what jens says is good:

Quote:
I believe in finding a solution - looking at it, perhaps giving it a test run - and reviewing if it is making the difference. None of us have a crystal ball to look into the future so we can't predict what for example creating a new forum for XOOPS issues and heated debate might bring.

Personally I would love to have the heated debates off the front page - out of the 'recent posts' list - so they can only be found by looking for them if you want to join in. But all members need access to them - So a new category set up in such a way may enable this to happen could work - why not try it out?. my only reservation is It will take a specially skilled moderator to manage that forum with diplomacy using xoopsiquette as the guideline. We get misinterpreted as the people with power - truly I see my only power as asking people to follow Xoopsiquette - that was the job I was asked to do.


a possible solution could be to make the 'Members Lounge' and / or 'feedback & suggestions' the place for such political discussions. they could be off the front page but still accessible by search engines and anonymous visitors. off the front page but still free speech. does that sound reasonable? if it doesn't work out we can always change it back. as long as conversation is not hidden we'll be ok.



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eric235u
Re: is it time for a 'lead project manager'?
  • 2007/4/19 16:56

  • eric235u

  • Not too shy to talk

  • Posts: 149

  • Since: 2004/12/19


my government comment was merely an example. i personally have more confidence in individuals who speak openly and do not restrict speech. therefore i believe that XOOPS should be supportive of free software and free speech, as they are the same thing.

as a matter of fact, if we hid our conversations regarding security alerts and didn't allow dissenters to comment we would be... micro$oft! that is not my vision of the future of XOOPS. there are many great free software projects and we should follow their lead.

we can do everything in public! good work does not need to hide. public work encourages community confidence.



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eric235u
Re: is it time for a 'lead project manager'?
  • 2007/4/19 16:31

  • eric235u

  • Not too shy to talk

  • Posts: 149

  • Since: 2004/12/19


who do you trust more, a governemnt that does business behind closed doors or a government that does business in public for all to see?

we can do everything in public, fix our problems and produce great free software.



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eric235u
Re: The Wave of Change IS Upon Us!
  • 2007/4/19 16:19

  • eric235u

  • Not too shy to talk

  • Posts: 149

  • Since: 2004/12/19


Quote:
I am no longer a "privileged" user, but there is information in my head, shared by Skalpa himself, that is only known to a small number of people.


this is from the original post that started this thread.

Quote:
There are several private forums for administrators and moderators on xoops.org, just not for all registered users (AFAIK).


this is from the last post on this thread.

we are going in the exact opposite direction needed for a FREE software community to succeed. limiting information for certain groups is not the free software way. free software = free speech. if those of you who are trying to make money want a site that 'sells' XOOPS we can have a xoops.com. but i am not intersted in selling xoops. i am interested in building an environment most conducive to producing top quality free software.

the reason people are talking about limiting information is because they don't like what they see. i want to see security alerts in big read letters on the front page! and then i want to see the patch right under it. i want to be able to go to our sourceforge site and go over the core developers discussion of the situation. that gives free software it's strength. that gives it's community confidence. hiding and limiting information does the exact opposite.



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eric235u
Re: The Wave of Change IS Upon Us!
  • 2007/4/19 14:04

  • eric235u

  • Not too shy to talk

  • Posts: 149

  • Since: 2004/12/19


so if somebody posts something that you don't approve of you're going to move the post to a forum only a limited group of people can see? i strongly disagree with that philosophy and think it is against free software and free speech.



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eric235u
Re: is it time for a lead project manager?
  • 2007/4/19 14:02

  • eric235u

  • Not too shy to talk

  • Posts: 149

  • Since: 2004/12/19


the problems are much more serious than a new website. the resources at sourceforge are not being utilized. the methodologies that make free software great are not being used. we are not getting new developers, we are losing them. proper management would fix this.




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