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Posted by: christianOn 2006/8/20 1:50:02 6324 reads

I published today on xoops France an article about the lastest changes sent to the XOOPS svn during this month. The covered subjects relate : - passage of the trunk svn in version 2.3 - new installer for Xoops 2.3 - zeta1 : new default theme - work on admin interface - working methods - tutorial on the developments, subversions and tortoisvn My English is not good enough to entirely translate this article into English, but if somebody wants to undertake some, not of problems.

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Bender Published 08/19/2006 16:39 Home away from home Joined 03/10/2003 Comments 1899

A translation of the original article is being prepared ... you can expect a release of the translation before the end of 2006 (i hope )

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Lance_ Published 08/19/2006 16:57 Updated 08/19/2006 17:37 Home away from home Joined 01/12/2004 Comments 983

Quickie Translation in English

For fun

Running on XOOPS 2.3.0 install

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Bender Published 08/19/2006 17:15 Home away from home Joined 03/10/2003 Comments 1899

Cheater!

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kurak_bu Published 08/19/2006 20:07 Updated 08/19/2006 20:08 Quite a regular Joined 09/05/2005 Comments 342

thank you for translate! hehehe

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birdseed Published 08/22/2006 0:53 Just popping in Joined 02/26/2005 Comments 59

Hi

(had to drop this here since the correspondent thread was closed)

The XOOPS core developers are indeed a closed circle. They discuss mainly over msn than using a public chatroom. They don't have a public discussion forum. They don't let anyone submit things to the svn. Ergo: They will have to do the most work alone. I have fixed many core bugs, I offered my assistance but demanded svn access...they refused. So that's how it ends. I am an experienced XOOPS programmer, I know what a handler is, I understand the purpose of xoopsObject, i know how to optimize queries and so on. So i didn't understand what their criteria for being part of the team are. Nowadays I have my own personal XOOPS forge for my website without caring for writing generalized code able to be implemented as part of the core.

greetings
MK

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phppp Published 08/22/2006 1:41 XOOPS Contributor Joined 01/25/2004 Comments 2857

@birdseed
had seen your contribution to XOOPS core during last year. It's a pity not seeing your discussioin or code submission afterwards.

I would suggest you take a look at the forum as David points out.
And a very brief description by Skalpa on how to contribute to XOOPS:
http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1546278&forum_id=347994

Perhaps christian would add such relevant tutorial to the article as well.

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skalpa Published 08/22/2006 2:40 Quite a regular Joined 04/16/2003 Comments 300

Quote:

They discuss mainly over msn than using a public chatroom. They don't have a public discussion forum

That's wrong... we use the SF public forums, and the trackers system. Everything is public.

Quote:

They don't let anyone submit things to the svn. Ergo: They will have to do the most work alone. I have fixed many core bugs, I offered my assistance but demanded svn access.

Well, the point is that I haven't seen a single thing from you, EVER.. So I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
I checked the bugs trackers: nothing from you. I checked the 2.2 changelog (I wans't here during the 2.2 dev): nothing from you.

So, for sure, you won't get SVN access like that.
There are open ways to contribute, show us you're able to understand that, that you're able to respect the work methodology in place, and that you're able to write good code, and you may get SVN access after a while.

Also: our objective is not to make XOOPS bigger but better, and that's different. Core developers are not people who understand how to use XoopsObject but what's wrong with it, and what it should be replaced by to overcome the actual framework limitations.

Last point: experience has shown me that people who really want to helps us make XOOPS better, don't really care about having SVN access or not: seeing their contributions make their way in the code satisfy them. People who want SVN access or "be members of the team" before they did anything, who are not even able to realise that everybody potentially is, almost always turn out to be individualist persons who demand more than they bring and a waste of time.

So I didn't say you are: free to you to show us.

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birdseed Published 08/22/2006 19:11 Just popping in Joined 02/26/2005 Comments 59

Hi

So you gave me the forum link. Very interesting. Thank you. I will have a regular look.
But: Where did the link come from? By clicking on "Development" in the main menu, I am directed to devteam.xoops.org.

Submitting a core bug. Okay. I could just submit everything in this form and leave a big amount of work for someone else who has to assign it to a file, then look for the right line, check if it has already been fixed in one of the 2.2, 2.0.14 or 2.3 branches, verify it, then copy & paste the fix, finally submit it. Shouldn't XOOPS have public svn write access for everyone who applies for?

In one thing you are right: I don't care about having my own distributions in the core. For me, bugfixes are just side products of my work for my platform. I made two submissions in the Report a Bug Window, they were accepted after half a year (!). So I concluded that you don't care about the Core Bug Report Feature.

greetings
bsm

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Dave_L Published 08/22/2006 21:30 XOOPS is my life! Joined 11/07/2003 Comments 2277

Quote:

That's wrong... we use the SF public forums, and the trackers system. Everything is public.

Is there a "public" description of the new directories in XOOPS 2.3 and how to use them (in modules and the core)? I'd like to help with testing and development issues, but it's kind of difficult without having information like that. If this info has already been posted somewhere, please point me to it.

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rowdie Published 08/22/2006 22:04 Just can't stay away Joined 07/21/2004 Comments 846

The SVN trunk is always the latest development version ready to be tested.

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